England in India, February-March 2021

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Re: England in India, February-March 2021

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Well, maybe the playing the longer tail part. That team played very slowly in the opening overs. One Mr. Sunil Manohar Gavaskar opening. Although we did have Srikkanth at some point. Certainly at the WCC. I don't remember if he was there in '83. So the English hitting out from early on --- the anti-Dhoni strategy --- was possibly based on looking at their skills and some analytics. Today, Sam Curran used the Dhoni strategy, well he was forced by lack of top-order partners, but still he kept things for too late. Or could not accelerate at the end. So, we should thank MSD. Take the game deep and lose. In his last few years, when MSD could not hit out and salvage things at the end, take the game deep meant a close loss.
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Re: England in India, February-March 2021

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Srikanth was the top scorer in finals with 38 including a six! He did not have a memorable tournament except for thatinnings

I think Sam curran should have trusted Mark Wood and taken singles! Could have been the difference in final analysis! He plays with CSK so deinitely Dhoni influence is there
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Re: England in India, February-March 2021

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Kumar wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:14 am
prasen9 wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:10 am Well, during the '83 world cup, a very similar attack bowled very well in England against Australia, West Indies, Zimbabwe, etc.
And Sandhu was the only guy who was probably considered a tailender! Did england get their blueprint from 83 team?
Some of the batsmen in that team were jokes in the name of batting. Srikanth and Shastri had test averages under 30. About Shastri's strike rate the lesser said the better. Binny was supposed to be a part time opener but never played an innings of significance. Madan Lal used to back off towards square leg against genuine pace. Gavaskar and Amaranth were too slow. Again the lesser said about Gavaskar's 36 in 60 overs the better. Patil started off with a lot of promise but faded away quickly. Vengsarkar's technique against genuine pace was suspect. The most accomplished batsman was probably Kapil but he took batting too casually and never did justice to his immense talent. India never had a solid batting till Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman came along and then Sehwag started terrorising the opening bowlers.
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Sorry, how could I forget Srikkanth's final heroics. Somehow I thought that was the WCC. Memory got mislabeled. :-)

Rajit, and yet, that team won the whole thing. Pure effort! It is actually doubly worthy. Kapil's heart. Did not give up against Zimbabwe. We had arguably our best wicket-keeper batsman (as opposed to batsman-wicketkeeper) ever in Kirmani.
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Even though Srikanth's overall averages are nothing to write home about he definitely had an impact in India winning big events. The 83 final knock was a great one and he played some great knocks in the 85 World Championship of Cricket also including decimating the Pakistani bowling in the final. In 83 the standout performers were Kapil, Binny, Madan, Amaranth and Kirmani and in 85 the standout performers were Kapil, Siva, Srikanth and Sadanand Vishwanath. Yet Shastri win the Audi.
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Shastri and Vengsarkar didn't make the XI for the semifinal and final of the 1983 World Cup. The batsmen who did were there because they were better during the tournament. It is absurd to denigrate them. Gavaskar did have a very poor World Cup (for which he made up in 1987); the infamous 36* was in 1975, and shouldn't be dredged up when discussing 1983. He was dropped for a few matches in 1983. But he pulled off some great catches in the slips and gave a valuable start of 25 in the SF. Srikkanth was brilliant in the final, Sandeep Patil and Yashpal Sharma in the semifinal. The bowlers were consistently good. Although Binny was an opener for Karnataka (with bat and ball), it was as a bowler that he shone in international cricket -- especially in the 1983 World Cup, where he was the top wicket-taker (he also did superbly in the WCC two years later). Madanlal did back away earlier in his career, but once the helmet was introduced he was fine -- and was a brilliant batsman in domestic cricket. He wasn't needed for his batting in ODI cricket much, but his batting average in the 1983 World Cup was 34, and he made 53* in an ODI against England the previous year (so memories of his backing away to Roberts and Chris Old in 1974 were ancient history by the time of the World Cup). In the 1983 World Cup, Madanlal took 17 wickets (just one less than Binny) at 16.76 apiece, so he was an invaluable member of the team.
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If someone is targeting your body, backing away is a good thing imho. Something to remember. At that time, an average over 30 was fabulous for a batsman especially in England with all that swing in the air. Now, that is perhaps 45 (worldwide).
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Re: England in India, February-March 2021

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I am surprised to see Kohli’s comments about bubble! If he feels so strongly why he did not advocate for players who has been in bubble since IPL 2020 to be rested for ODI or T20 series?


Sundar, Kuldeep and Pant are players who have been in bubble non stop and I am worried about Pant’s workload! Hopefully BCCI directs DC to rest Pant for first two weeks! Will Kohli do the same for Sundar?
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If anyone has mental issues and needs a break from the bubble, they should be able to opt out and not play some of the games. That would be fine. That the games have to stop being played because they need a break is not the model we should go to. We should just move away from the idea that everyone has to play every game. Just rotate. That is what baseball does in the U.S. They play 162 games with about 6 to 6.5 games per week. For a country with a large pool of players, we can rotate and cover for even someone like Kohli as we showed in Australia. Let's have more matches if there is a market and increase the money pool and player pool. That will help us build a very strong team with a solid bench.
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