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The Ninth South Asian Federation (SAF) Games were to be held in 2001 but were postponed twice.
Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka will partipate in these Games in Islamabad.
Events will be held in the following disciplines: Athletics, Boxing, Badminton, Football, Karate, Kabbadi, Taekwondo, Swimming, Shooting, Squash, Table Tennis, Rowing, Wrestling, Volleyball and Weightlifting.
The previous SAF Games were held at:
1984 Kathmandu Nepal
1985 Dhaka Bangladesh
1987 Calcutta India
1989 Islamabad Pakistan
1991 Colombo Sri Lanka
1993 Dhaka Bangladesh
1995 Madras India
1999 Kathmandu, Nepal
Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka will partipate in these Games in Islamabad.
Events will be held in the following disciplines: Athletics, Boxing, Badminton, Football, Karate, Kabbadi, Taekwondo, Swimming, Shooting, Squash, Table Tennis, Rowing, Wrestling, Volleyball and Weightlifting.
The previous SAF Games were held at:
1984 Kathmandu Nepal
1985 Dhaka Bangladesh
1987 Calcutta India
1989 Islamabad Pakistan
1991 Colombo Sri Lanka
1993 Dhaka Bangladesh
1995 Madras India
1999 Kathmandu, Nepal
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Sangeetha is fast turning out to be Bobby's successor.
The high jumper from Chennai created a new record jumping 1.81 M in Islamabad and erased the old record of Bobby Aloysius, the national record holder.
Bobby is in England trying to qualify for the Olympics. Though Bobby has a natl record of 1.91M she has not yet cleared that height (again) which incidentally is the Olympic qualifying mark.
The high jumper from Chennai created a new record jumping 1.81 M in Islamabad and erased the old record of Bobby Aloysius, the national record holder.
Bobby is in England trying to qualify for the Olympics. Though Bobby has a natl record of 1.91M she has not yet cleared that height (again) which incidentally is the Olympic qualifying mark.
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Indeed, Sangeetha looks set to take over from Bobby when the latter retires. Her PB of 1.81 in Islamabad was an excellent effort in only her second international competition. BTW, Bobby's National record is 1.90 (not 1.91). She recorded that in Bangalore in June 2002. Last year, her best was 1.89 metres.
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According to this report in The Hindu on Wednesday, S. Geetha made the qualifying standard in the 400m:
http://www.hindu.com/2004/04/07/stories ... 292000.htm
http://www.hindu.com/2004/04/07/stories ... 292000.htm
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Some of the Indian athletes who have qualified for the Athens Olympics have done so by meeting the "B" standard rather than the "A" standard. I am of the opinion that only those athletes who make the "A" standard should go to the Olympics; the rest should compete at other international events and hone their skills. Any comments?
ATHLETICS QUALIFYING STANDARDS - 2004 Olympics:
"Qualifying marks must be set between 1st January 2003 (marathon: 1st September 2002) and 9th August 2004. Although indoor marks are acceptable marks will not be accepted if set:
- In mixed competition (excluding road events).
- Using manual timing in distances up to and including 400 metres.
- With the aid of an illegal wind.
- In conditions otherwise deemed to be irregular.
Each country may send a maximum of three athletes per event provided they have achieved the "A" standard and a maximum of 1 athlete per event provided they have achieved the "B" standard within the IAAF's qualifying period. In the event that a country does not produce any athletes to that level they may still select one male and one female athlete for a maximum of one event each. Up to 16 teams will be invited in each relay event based on the average of their 2 best times between 1st January 2003 and 21st July 2004."
ATHLETICS QUALIFYING STANDARDS - 2004 Olympics:
"Qualifying marks must be set between 1st January 2003 (marathon: 1st September 2002) and 9th August 2004. Although indoor marks are acceptable marks will not be accepted if set:
- In mixed competition (excluding road events).
- Using manual timing in distances up to and including 400 metres.
- With the aid of an illegal wind.
- In conditions otherwise deemed to be irregular.
Each country may send a maximum of three athletes per event provided they have achieved the "A" standard and a maximum of 1 athlete per event provided they have achieved the "B" standard within the IAAF's qualifying period. In the event that a country does not produce any athletes to that level they may still select one male and one female athlete for a maximum of one event each. Up to 16 teams will be invited in each relay event based on the average of their 2 best times between 1st January 2003 and 21st July 2004."
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I agree with you as basically it is otherwise a waste of funds as these atheletes do not stand much of chance to make it into the finals let alone medal. We should not be sending atheletes to the Olympics just to make up the numbers but if we can use those resources to help with training and send them to other meets to develop their talents I think it would be better spent.
PS: Here are the the A and B standards for the Olympics athletic events. http://www.coolrunning.co.nz/news/2003n004.html
The A standard is the time/score posted by the 8th place finisher in the previous Olympics or something like that. (I don't recall exactly and could find it on the web)
PS: Here are the the A and B standards for the Olympics athletic events. http://www.coolrunning.co.nz/news/2003n004.html
The A standard is the time/score posted by the 8th place finisher in the previous Olympics or something like that. (I don't recall exactly and could find it on the web)
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Agree with BS that there could be a review about sending all those who make the `B' standard or even `A' standard (two or three athletes). Going by the Sydney Olympics experience, performance at home never matches those at major competitions at the world level. This is indeed a tricky situation where athletes are pushed towards a particular qualification mark and then we say we can't select them. Take the case of an Amritpal Singh. Obviously he is carrying a hamstring injury and might find it difficult to cross eight metres again, especially at the world level, this season. If he is not selected, the media (and even Forum members here) will protest. Last time Sanjay Rai was chosen after he crossed eight metres twice. He could not produce one jump in Sydney. Gave up on his next two in the qualification round. (Barring Beenamol, no one crossed the first round in the last Olympics)
In case three athletes qualify in one or two events, should the federation select all three? That's another question. Many countries have norms higher than `A' standard.
Dhruv, please note that the standards listed on the NZ site have been changed since then (the change took place last November). The amended standards are:
CONDITIONS :
1. All performances (except for the Marathon Races) must be achieved during the qualification period of 1 January 2003 to 9 August 2004 (midnight-local time). The qualification period for the Marathon Race runs from 1 September 2002 till 9 August 2004.
2. All performances (except for the Relays) must be achieved during competitions organised or authorised by IAAF, its Area Associations or its National Member Federations. Thus, results achieved at university or school competitions must be certified by the National Federation of the country in which the competition was organised.
3. All performances must be achieved during an official competition organised in conformity with IAAF Rules
4. Performances achieved in mixed events between male and female participants, held completely in the Stadium, will not be accepted (see IAAF Rule 147).
5. Wind-assisted performances will not be accepted.
6. Hand-timed performances in 100m, 200m, 400m, 110m/100m Hurdles, 400m Hurdles and 4x100m relay will not be accepted.
7. Indoor performances for all field events and for races of 200m and longer, will be accepted.
8. Lower age limit: for the Marathon Races and the 50km Race Walk Men, senior athletes only (any athlete aged 20 years and over on 31 December 2004) will be accepted.
9. Marathon:
- the first 20 runners in both, Men’s and in the Women’s Marathon, in the World Championships in Athletics of Paris 2003 will be considered as having met the ‘A’ entry standard.
- the performances must have been achieved on proper measured courses
10. Relays:
The best 16 National Teams will qualify in each Relay Event on the basis of the average of their best 2 performances achieved in competitions sanctioned by IAAF or by the Area Associations and recorded during the period of 1 January 2003 to 21 July 2004.
In case three athletes qualify in one or two events, should the federation select all three? That's another question. Many countries have norms higher than `A' standard.
Dhruv, please note that the standards listed on the NZ site have been changed since then (the change took place last November). The amended standards are:
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2004 OLYMPIC GAMES ENTRY STANDARDS
Men Women
A B Event A B
10.21 10.28 100m 11.30 11.40
20.59 20.75 200m 22.97 23.13
45.55 45.95 400m 51.50 52.30
1:46.00 1:47.00 800m 2:00.00 2:01.30
3:36.20 3:38.00 1500m 4:05.80 4:07.15
13:21.50 13:25.40 5000m 15:08.70 15:20.45
27:49.00 28:06.00 10,000m 31:45.00 32:17.00
2.15.00 2.18.00 Marathon 2.37.00 2.42.00
8:24.60 8:32.00 3000m SC
13.55 13.72 110m H/100m H 12.96 13.11
49.20 49.50 400m H 55.60 56.25
1:23.00 1:24:30 20km Race Walk 1:33:30 1:38:00
4:00:00 4:07:00 50km Race Walk
Best 16 National Teams 4x100m Best 16 National Teams
Best 16 National Teams 4x400m Best 16 National Teams
8000 7700 Decathlon
Heptathlon 6050 5900
2.30 2.27 High Jump 1.95 1.91
5.65 5.55 Pole Vault 4.40 4.25
8.19 8.05 Long Jump 6.70 6.55
16.95 16.55 Triple Jump 14.20 14.00
20.30 20.00 Shot Put 18.55 17.15
64.00 62.55 Discus Throw 61.00 57.70
78.65 74.35 Hammer Throw 67.50 64.00
81.80 77.80 Javelin Throw 60.50 56.00
CONDITIONS :
1. All performances (except for the Marathon Races) must be achieved during the qualification period of 1 January 2003 to 9 August 2004 (midnight-local time). The qualification period for the Marathon Race runs from 1 September 2002 till 9 August 2004.
2. All performances (except for the Relays) must be achieved during competitions organised or authorised by IAAF, its Area Associations or its National Member Federations. Thus, results achieved at university or school competitions must be certified by the National Federation of the country in which the competition was organised.
3. All performances must be achieved during an official competition organised in conformity with IAAF Rules
4. Performances achieved in mixed events between male and female participants, held completely in the Stadium, will not be accepted (see IAAF Rule 147).
5. Wind-assisted performances will not be accepted.
6. Hand-timed performances in 100m, 200m, 400m, 110m/100m Hurdles, 400m Hurdles and 4x100m relay will not be accepted.
7. Indoor performances for all field events and for races of 200m and longer, will be accepted.
8. Lower age limit: for the Marathon Races and the 50km Race Walk Men, senior athletes only (any athlete aged 20 years and over on 31 December 2004) will be accepted.
9. Marathon:
- the first 20 runners in both, Men’s and in the Women’s Marathon, in the World Championships in Athletics of Paris 2003 will be considered as having met the ‘A’ entry standard.
- the performances must have been achieved on proper measured courses
10. Relays:
The best 16 National Teams will qualify in each Relay Event on the basis of the average of their best 2 performances achieved in competitions sanctioned by IAAF or by the Area Associations and recorded during the period of 1 January 2003 to 21 July 2004.
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It doesn't actually add up to nine for Athens, David! In the sense, Indian qualifiers at the moment are: Women's long jump (1), women's discus (1), women's 400m (1), women's heptathlon (1), men's 400m (1) and men's long jump (1). That is six in all. In both women's 400m and discus, those who do have the `B' norm at the moment will have to achieve the `A' norm for them to be chosen for Athens.david wrote:Binu qualified for the Olympics today along with three other women.
That makes 9 athletes for athens
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Thanks for the updated qualifying marks mugu. I have formatted them for you as requested.
And that is exactly the point that BBS tried to make I think that no point sending people to an event where they don't stand a realistic chance of advancing to the finals unless they break their PB's by huge margins. Not to say it can't happen. SO if they do select atheletes on A rather B standards, yes the contingent will be smaller (less officials get to go as well) and the money can used for better training facilities, hiring better coaches, etc etc.
And that is exactly the point that BBS tried to make I think that no point sending people to an event where they don't stand a realistic chance of advancing to the finals unless they break their PB's by huge margins. Not to say it can't happen. SO if they do select atheletes on A rather B standards, yes the contingent will be smaller (less officials get to go as well) and the money can used for better training facilities, hiring better coaches, etc etc.