General Cricket Thread ...

[prasen9]

We should dump him. Networking is not a skill that should be high up on the list for a coach. I think the BCCI just appoints coaches based on hype. See Gambhir. He does not have any record. Such coaches should not be hired.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Not only coach even selection has been awful. Not a single talent except Musheer has impressed either from Yash Dhull's batch or in recent time the Kulkarni's batch.Its doubtfull wheather selection is taking place for future or for part time tournament. A chunk of talents from this under 19 can't be found in domestic. This year they created hype with Vaibhav Suryavanshi, which turned failure as he failed to perform in big matches.

[ericcw]

Vaibhav is only 12 or 13 yrs old. What he is doing at that age is incredible. It is different if he was 16 or something.

For a 13 yr old to display that level is astonishing. He has big big future ahead.

[prasen9]

He is just young. Let him develop. No need to hype people too much. Young people's brains are not developed. With too much hype, he may be distracted and not develop. As Raj said, he is not yet there. So, let us not hype based on potential. I do not disagree he is a great talent to be able to do this at 13 years old. But, many child prodigies are gone and don't develop or go astray.

The question really is: is he India-B material now (playing against U-19s)? Nature seems to answer "no". He played 5 matches and failed in all his FC matches. He failed in his T20 match. So, the selection to FC was premature, it seems. Is there a bigger plan? To get him against better opposition for the future. I do not know. But, one needs to do this when the player is ready. Unadkat was given matches way too early. Umran Malik was given matches before he knew the difference between leg stump and off stump. Both turned out to be duds. They should have been developed and then given chances.

[HockeywithBilli]

[Rajiv]

Enroute to their win the SAF's had a unbeaten 51 runs 9th wicket stand which was the key factor.
Tommorow if faced with a similar situation can our tail emulate them.. No way....

[Rajkumar Sharma]

New Zealand series at home shown us, India this time doesn't deserve in WTC final. Test Team is over dependent on certain individuals which is not the way of success to qualify for the finals.
Team should now concentrate on setting up a good team for Champions Trophy, which is just 2 months away. Automatic, Star selection, Past performance should'nt be considered. Team will be playing entire tournament in Dubai so selection of proper spinners will be important, emphasis should be given on Vijay Hazare Trophy performances and failure of batters against spinners in SL Tour should be monitored carefully.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Karun Nair 3 tons in 4 Vijay Hazare games. A talent put to end by third class selectors like Atul Wassan, Chetan Sharma, MSKs

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Raw Truth

https://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/new ... ce=dlvr.it

Not only Mayank & Umran. Kartik Tyagi, Mohsin,Kuldeep Sen, Natarajan, Mukesh Choudhary falls in this category....Plenty of promise but gets disappers after IPL concludes.Mavi & Nagarkoti lightened up that 2018 Youth World Cup with 150+ speeds, where are they now? BCCI needs to make both Vizay Hazare Trophy & Mustaq Ali T20 essential for IPL deal.

[prasen9]

Exactly. Shows how futile looking at speed guns is. A lot of people with good fitness training and nutrition can shove the ball fast. But, bowling is an art. And, it is stupid to get excited to see someone bowl fast. When a bowler shows an exceptional package where they can bowl fast, bowl slow, think, control the ball as if on a string, then I am excited. Of these, Mayank, Kuldeep Singh, and at times Mavi have shown good skill. Ignore the raw fast bowlers. They will go nowhere.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Its brainless to get excited to see line length bowler with not even minimum pace to trouble batters.Once the ball become old in SENA conditions these control bowlers has got no role except getting thrashed, in recent BGT it was seen as bowler except Bumrah were termed as unlucky and forgiven for being wicketless when team highely needed it. Maidens, beating batsman isn't required, 4/5 wickets what the team requires.So, 130+ are good only in indian condition to fullfill a pacer qouta nothing more then that.

[prasen9]

No, what I said was that bowlers with skill will always perform. Hazlewood, Cummings, Boland, Starc, Bumrah all performed. Hazlewood and Boland do not have express pace but did perfectly fine. Choosing bad bowlers actually proves my point. Pace does not matter. Those who can put it all together matters. Nobody cares about raw pace. There are tons of such bowlers going nowhere.

It is absolutely nonsense that 130+ are useful only in Indian conditions. They are very valuable in English and Australian conditions. Hazlewood, Boland, Mcgrath, Southee, and many more are 130+. Ideally, we need 135+ and then the ability to do a lot of other things like swing, pitch things in the right spot, etc. In Indian conditions actually some pace is required because we rarely have swing. In English conditions, swing bowlers with hardly any pace are deadly.

Yes, it is absoultely brainless to get excited about line and length bowlers with no pace. I am not pulling for them. All I am saying we have to look at the whole package and just not get excited by one aspect of bowling. Your comment actually proves my point. If we get lured by raw pace, we make the mistake of trying the Umran's (although in his case the novelty of a pacer from the state of J&K played a role in the hype too). Choose complete bowlers.

I also fully agree that hyping bowlers such as Akashdeep who "beats the bat" but does not get wickets is useless. We saw this with Ishant Sharma a lot. After that, I stopped looking for bowlers who miss the bat a lot. Ishant became better later on to convert these misses to wickets.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

5 tons for Karun Nair in ongoing VHT, only a conspiracy can keep him out of CT team.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Who got success in SENA for Indian team in test matches ? Its only Bumrah, Shami, Ishant....all of them had the ability to bowl consistently around 145+ which they did, and picked wickets. Among 135+ only Bhuvi had little bit of success in test because of his ability to swing the ball, which other 130s with line length doesn't have. Southee, Hazlehood, Boland with 130+ damages opponent batting line up with new ball, as they have the ability to swing the ball, whereas present Indian team 130+ neither looks lethal with new nor with old. The best swing ball next to Bhuvi is Deepak Chahar who got plenty of chances but failed to emerge as a successfull bowler

[ericcw]