Afghanistan in India T20I series, 2024

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Afghanistan in India T20I series, 2024

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Afghanistan will play 3 T20Is in Mohali, Indore, and Bengaluru next week. I hope we will not play the old guard and instead invest in the youngsters. Hardik and SkAY are injured. Most possibly, Gaikwad too.

Jaiswal, Gill, NTTV, Rinku must be included. Then, I guess we add Rohit and Kohli but I would play only one of them so that we can give all four junior bats as much experience as we can. Rahul the keeper. Backup Jitesh.

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Axar, Kuldeep, Jadeja, Bishnoi, Washi are the contenders. Kuldeep is the specialist spinner. The spinning allrounder I'd go with Axar and Jadeja.

Axar, Jadeja, Kuldeep. Tough to keep Bishnoi out but he need to learn to bat better. Or bowl better than Kuldeep.

Bumrah, Arshdeep. I'd try Mavi because he can bat a bit. They will possibly put Siraj in. If we are playing Bumrah, Kuldeep, and Arshdeep, we can't afford a Siraj. Need a Mavi types at least. Of course, Siraj can come in for Arshdeep.
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Lots of one dimmensional failure in that list. It will be useless to include only a 3rd pacer who can bat. There should be 7/8 bowling options in the Playing XI, one dimmensional players played alot and have failed, they can't win any more. Need to try new set up with more variety in the attack.

Avisekh Sharma, Jaiswal, Tilak, Parag, Rinku, Jitesh, H Rana, Chahar, Kuldeep, Bhisnoi, Arshdeep,
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@Sharmaji, what is your opinion of Tewetia. he has much better IPL credentials than parag, abhishek withthe bat and ball.

My team, Jaiswal, Gill or Gaikwad, Tilak , Pandya, KL, Rinku, Tewetia, Axar or Jadeja, DRC, Arshdeep or Mohsin Khan, kuldeep Yadav

I will rest Siraj and Bumrah. I am not sure Gill can be successful in WI pitches, so would not mind trying Gaikwad.
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Kumar wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:47 am @Sharmaji, what is your opinion of Tewetia. he has much better IPL credentials than parag, abhishek withthe bat and ball.
He was better and should have been picked in 2021 T20 WC in UAE, when he was in form, now he is nowhere.
Kumar wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:47 am My team, Jaiswal, Gill or Gaikwad, Tilak , Pandya, KL, Rinku, Tewetia, Axar or Jadeja, DRC, Arshdeep or Mohsin Khan, kuldeep Yadav.
5 one dimmensional players in the XI is alot, need to reduce it more. Stars have failed, no need to include them more. Jadeja & Axar both out. Sindhu or Sundar in. Mohsin, Hngr'kr would be more useful then Mukesh, Krishna.
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:21 am Lots of one dimmensional failure in that list. It will be useless to include only a 3rd pacer who can bat. There should be 7/8 bowling options in the Playing XI, one dimmensional players played alot and have failed, they can't win any more. Need to try new set up with more variety in the attack.

Avisekh Sharma, Jaiswal, Tilak, Parag, Rinku, Jitesh, H Rana, Chahar, Kuldeep, Bhisnoi, Arshdeep,
I do not mind any of these but realistically the selectors are not going to select new players in the team and we don't have very many T20Is to experiment with before that. That is why I chose my 15/16.

No, the third pacer must bat. We have lost by playing 4 #11s and the ones before that batting slowly. That failed blueprint will not work. Has never worked. You don't need 7/8 bowling options but you need 6 solid ones.

One dimensional players are better than zero dimensional players, players who cannot bowl and cannot bat. We have to use what we have.
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prasen9 wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:21 pm One dimensional players are better than zero dimensional players, players who cannot bowl and cannot bat. We have to use what we have.
One dimmensionals have nothing to give now, they are the proven failures, playing WCs after WCs, enjoying automatic selections, haven't achieved anything since 2007 T20 WC. Its better to try so called zero dimensionals who are yet to be tested then failed XI of one dimensionals...chokers
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Zero dimensionals are worthless failures in domestics. They have won nothing either that is worth it. Replacing failures by failures is not useful. See the amount of junk pacers we have tried. Batting wins and loses games. Every bowler can be hit. We need to have a solid batting lineup. Playing 4 #11s has resulted in our failures time and again. We cannot do that again. If it were up to me, I would play only Bumrah and Kuldeep the two #11s and then all the rest have to bat to varying degrees. No more zero dimensional bowlers like Avesh, Umraan etc., who cannot bowl and cannot bat. All other bowlers need to bat to a certain extent.
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Abhisekh Sharma, Ryan Parag, Sindhu.... domestic failure ? Which domestic tournament ? May be in the indian team selectors eyes :D. Umran, Avesh, haven't been mentioned he is yet to be fit. Mohsin, Hangr'kr & Rana has been mentioned
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:42 pm Abhisekh Sharma, Ryan Parag, Sindhu.... domestic failure ? Which domestic tournament ? May be in the indian team selectors eyes :D.
How many Ranji Trophies, IPL, etc. have they won? Going by the stupid test that you guys use that someone is a failure if the team did not win the cup, most of these guys are proven failures.
Umran, Avesh, haven't been mentioned he is yet to be fit. Mohsin, Hangr'kr & Rana has been mentioned
Harshit Rana is a totally crappy T20 bowler. A complete domestic failure with the ball. He is raw and needs more experience. His failures in the domestics should not be rewarded. Ditto for Hangargekar. He is an even worse bowler. So, these are almost zero dimensional players and should not be chosen. Mohsin, Abhishek, Riyan I am fine.

Sindhu is a good bowler but an awful bat in T20s. Given that we will almost surely play pacers who cannot bat, our spinners need to bat and we can't carry spinners who cannot bat.
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prasen9 wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:59 pm
Rajkumar Sharma wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:42 pm Abhisekh Sharma, Ryan Parag, Sindhu.... domestic failure ? Which domestic tournament ? May be in the indian team selectors eyes :D.
How many Ranji Trophies, IPL, etc. have they won? Going by the stupid test that you guys use that someone is a failure if the team did not win the cup, most of these guys are proven failures.
How many new performers from current Ranji winning team selected for Indian team ? How many got picked in Playing XI ? There is a difference between proven failures & untested ones, no one should dare to call anyone worst without testing him or giving him a proper chance. Level of stupidity should come to end as the proven failures played every ICC event and laid the team down, experience is of zero use.
prasen9 wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:59 pm
Umran, Avesh, haven't been mentioned he is yet to be fit. Mohsin, Hangr'kr & Rana has been mentioned
Harshit Rana is a totally crappy T20 bowler. A complete domestic failure with the ball. He is raw and needs more experience. His failures in the domestics should not be rewarded. Ditto for Hangargekar. He is an even worse bowler. So, these are almost zero dimensional players and should not be chosen.
Much better then rubbish Prasidh, Thakur. If they get picked they will again be tore apart. Both are real raw talents who needs to go back to domestic & India A set up.

prasen9 wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:59 pm Sindhu is a good bowler but an awful bat in T20s. Given that we will almost surely play pacers who cannot bat, our spinners need to bat and we can't carry spinners who cannot bat.
Axar & Jadeja has played alot and have failed to create any impact. There should be a limit in distributing free WC tickets
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:25 pm How many new performers from current Ranji winning team selected for Indian team ? How many got picked in Playing XI ? There is a difference between proven failures & untested ones, no one should dare to call anyone worst without testing him or giving him a proper chance. Level of stupidity should come to end as the proven failures played every ICC event and laid the team down, experience is of zero use.
All of these guys have played several seasons and have won no domestic trophy. By this token, using your stupid reasoning, they are proven failures. Why are you asking irrelevant questions? I have asked you to tell me how many trophies these kids have won for their teams. All you have to do is to provide the evidence.
prasen9 wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:59 pm Much better then rubbish Prasidh, Thakur
Who cares about these guys? I did not ask for them to be in the team. Just showing other crappy bowlers does not make Rana or Hangargekar good bowlers. They need to learn to bowl in domestics first. The domestic battters are having fun depositing them outside the stadium regularly. They should not be rewarded and destroyed by putting them in the India team because they are going to be deposited outside the state in the international game. See Umraan, Prasidh, Avesh. They were brought in without learning to bowl. Developing good bowlers needs lots and lots of reps. Except in the cases of geniuses. And, those are 1-2 in a decade. These guys were brought in when they had no clue and did badly. They were then dropped. Not a great idea. Avesh now seems to be doing a bit better having learned to control his line and length. It would have been better if he had not been dumped into the international arena in a format he was not good at and brought in a year later say. Then, he would have had a chance to stick. Better strategy is to train them, provide them good coaching, make them able to differentiate between third man and the wickets and then bring them into the team.
Axar & Jadeja has played alot and have failed to create any impact. There should be a limit in distributing free WC tickets
Axar has won us matches and series. But, that comp does not matter. I am fine getting the likes of Riyan who can bat instead of Axar or Jadeja. But, the likes of Sindhu who are only good at bowling are not competing with Axar and Jadeja. Sindhu cannot bat in T20s. He needs to improve his batting before aiming for the slots of Axar and Jadeja. Right now, he is a comp for Kuldeep. Or Bishnoi. Spinners who cannot bat. I'd rather take Kuldeep or Bishnoi.
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Proven failures / chokers in ICC events has been

" One match is not enough to say the team is bad "
" Why West Indies & USA is host of T20 WC" ?
" Why T20 WC is played in the month of June " ?
" Why there is not two finals "?
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lol. What goes around comes around. So, enjoy your proven failures. Or provide the evidence of them winning domestic cups for the team. Suggesting a bunch of young proven failures does nothing. By your logic, we should only choose players whose teams won domestic trophies.

Why are you so silent? I asked a simple question. What trophies did your young guys win? All you have to do is to list them. Or is it that you are pushing proven domestic failures? :-)

Seems like the emperor has no clothes. Or just list the trophies your winners won for their teams ... Not too much to ask is it? :-)
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Domestic cricket is for selecting performance of particular players not including everyone, whereas international cricket is about winning for the country.
Also asked you a simple question
How many ICC events does your proven failed chokers won ? Evidence already given, what happens after every ICC events :D Give those chokers 10 more years in ICC events, which you are suggesting, they will repeat the same and give those idiotic statements. Only a mad can enjoy games and back players of a team which fails every time. :-)
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I am fine with dropping the old guard but only in favor of proven winners. So, show me the winners.

Peddling a bunch of losers will not win us anything. No evidence that your guys are winners. They have repeatedly failed. I think all of them. All you need to do is to show what cups they have won.

I do not have any hopes on the old guard. Like Sin Hombre said, we are not going to win the T20I WC in West Indies.

By your stupid logic, all we have are proven losers - at the domestic level and at the international level.
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