T20 World Cup, W.Indies/USA 2024

[Kumar]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl- ... atform=amp

Pretty much the exact same playing 11 with same question mark that I had. Except for Jaiswal for Gill. I think rohit will prefer Jaiswal and Dravid may prefer Gill

The selectors will have to choose among a fourth fast bowler, another wristspinner in Ravi Bishnoi, a spin-bowling allrounder in Axar Patel, an extra wicketkeeper-hitter who can possibly be batting back-up, a top-order back-up in the mode of Gill, and a pure middle-order hitter.

I thin reserves will be distributed equally between bowlers and batsman. Let us see… having an extra wk in 15 may be tough for prospects of Rinku and Jaiswal both making it to team

[Atithee]

Wasn’t Canada to be removed from this thread name?

[Rajkumar Sharma]

If the team management is thinking in dropping seniors then Kohli should'nt go away alone, he should take Jadeja & Rohit with him. Batting heavy like odi is failed strategy seen in last 7 T20WCs . Multidimmensional players are now required to win a T20 title. Aussies have set up Green & Hardie along with old fellows Marsh & Stoinis. WI will be having most threatening lower order with Holder, Russell, Rutherford & Shepherd, many more are there waiting .England have been best in selecting multidimmensional players that made them win their 2nd title. At present only NZ & INDIA are lacking in having these set of players.

[prasen9]

If the team management is thinking in dropping seniors then Kohli should'nt go away alone, he should take Jadeja & Rohit with him. Batting heavy like odi is failed strategy seen in last 7 T20WCs .

Batting should be measured in SR after a minimum average is achieved. That is who gives the excess value. The teams that have won in the last 7 WCs have had heavy hitters. We have not. Anything else is just coincidental.

We don't have allrounders who are that good. Instead of not sending a team or worrying about that, we need to maximize our returns based on people we have. And, hope that someone breaks out in the IPL. Hardik has become too slow in the last 2-3 years.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

If the team management is thinking in dropping seniors then Kohli should'nt go away alone, he should take Jadeja & Rohit with him. Batting heavy like odi is failed strategy seen in last 7 T20WCs .

The teams that have won in the last 7 WCs have had heavy hitters. We have not. Anything else is just coincidental.

Who were the heavy hitters ? Maximum of them were multidimmensionals, say Marsh & Wade, Stoinis for Aussies, Moeen, Livingstone, Stokes for England. 2016 had Russell & Bravo doing all the major damages

We don't have allrounders who are that good. Instead of not sending a team or worrying about that, we need to maximize our returns based on people we have. And, hope that someone breaks out in the IPL. Hardik has become too slow in the last 2-3 years.

We definately have allrounders but they are not given proper number of games to shine. Allrounders of SENA & India might not be the same as Indian allrounders comes from flat & dry tracks where batters are given too much important from club cricket to domestic ( unless he is a spinner allrounder). Within few matches they are thrown away. In IPL, hardly you can find domestic allrounders playing their role as allrounders.Injury has been the big reason for Hardik going slow and before MS retired he played freely and now he is trying to adopt role of a senior, so his job has become more important then earlier. He had MS at lower order to take the burden when he failed on trying to hit from ball one, now he had to face criticism if he starts doing it, so because of role change he has gone slower.

[prasen9]

Not true. Hales and Butler were the heaviest hitters for England. To win, of course, you need to have a complete team. They also had dream bowling from Curran, Jordan, Stokes, and Wood.

Whatever be the reason, we do not have all-rounders who can bowl pace and bat well. That is the fact now. So, picking up people like Dube and tagging them as all-rounders is useless.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Whatever may be, 3 full pacers, 1 spinner, 2 allrounders ( 2 fully injury proned & team yet to find their proper replacements),1 WKB, 4 proper batter hasn't worked in all of the previous editions of T20WC. This tried & tested odi set up in T20I is a failure

[Kumar]

Who are our best all round prospects after Pandya, Jadeja and Axar

IPL stats

ShivamDube bat 28 avg, SR 141 and ball 9.39 ERA and average 41.. around 1.5 overs when give a chance and less than 0.4 per match
Venkatesh Iyer bat 28 avg sR 130 and ball 9.20 ER and avg 38 ; bowled 2.5 overs when given a chance, but just 0.5 overs per match
Tewetia bat 25 avg sr 132 and ball 7.9 er and average 34.7

Stoinis bat 27 avg, Sr 140 and ball 9.57 and avg 29 : bowled 2+ overs when he bowled and at least 1.5 overs per played match
Livingstone bat 29 avg Sr 165 and ball 9.9 avg 38 1.5+ overs bowled when bowled and almost 1 over a match.
Green bat 50 avg sr 160, ball 9.5 er, avg 60 2+ overs per match
Moeen bat 22.5 avg SR 140 ball 6.9er avg 24 again 2+ overs per match

None of our great all rounder prospects bowl even a single over per match. I do agree with your thinking that this team will win… but prasen is right that we don’t have great prospects.

Our Multi dimensional players are very ordinary batsman and don’t bowl enough to be useful as bowler.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

None of our great all rounder prospects bowl even a single over per match. I do agree with your thinking that this team will win… but prasen is right that we don’t have great prospects.

Multidimmensionals are ordinary through their IPL & few of the T20I they got picked, but what about our 5 batters, 2 allrounder set up ? Big names should have smashed 190+,200+ totals in every T20I games of WC, their reputations are becomming like our multidimmensional players ordinary stats in big games and its getting repeated every time.
2016 T20WC Semi vs WI in that flatest track of WC in Wankhade, highly reputed battkng team should have scored 250 to 245+ total against that mediocre WI bowling. 2021 WC reputation gone in vain against Pakistan 2022 WC reputation was over against mediocre spinner Rashid

[prasen9]

Big names should have smashed 190+,200+ totals in every T20I games of WC, their reputations are becomming like our multidimmensional players ordinary stats in big games and its getting repeated every time.

This is nonsense. No team every has smashed 199+, 200+ totals in every T20I game in the WC.

Replacing successful players with failures is not a solution to solve the failures of domestic successes. Domestic failures are worse than domestic successes. There is no logical reason for domestic failures to work.

Notice also, that to be an allrounder, you need to be able to hit over 140 SR. Without that, you are a liability as a batsman, allrounder or specialist. Maybe one can reduce it a bit to 135 if you are a very good bowler. But, the likes of Iyer and Tewatia bat very slowly.

T20 is about creating excess resources. You have only 20 overs. Someone who bats at a SR of 150 or 170 creates balls for others to hit off. If they can lost their fair share (which is why an average of 25 is desirable), then you start to have the combination for a winning team.

The team needs a wholesale new outlook. Just replacing players who bat slowly by players who cannot really bowl an over in the likes of Dube and Iyer and calling them "multidimensional" or some other stupid terms does not make them champions. We need true allrounders. Not nonsense relabeled. That is what PR people do and it often results in garbage.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Big names should have smashed 190+,200+ totals in every T20I games of WC, their reputations are becomming like our multidimmensional players ordinary stats in big games and its getting repeated every time.

This is nonsense. No team every has smashed 199+, 200+ totals in every T20I game in the WC.

Shouting for those reputed failures who are taking the team down every time in knockout and getting free ticket for next world cups is highly senseful ? Stat padders SKY, Rohit, KL are thirdclass then Wade, Marsh in knockouts.Alex Hales looked giant that World No. 1 SKY in knockout

Replacing successful players with failures is not a solution to solve the failures of domestic successes. Domestic failures are worse than domestic successes. There is no logical reason for domestic failures to work.

There is no logic in giving reputed failures high amount of chances for lifetime in every WCs

[prasen9]

Shouting for those reputed failures who are taking the team down every time in knockout and getting free ticket for next world cups is highly senseful ?

No it is not. You are the one who wants that. I never asked for the same old team to be selected. I don't want media hype and PR labeling people who can hardly bowl as all-rounders either. You are the oine who wants to select failures - domestic failures. Choosing those reputed domestic failures will do diddly squat.

There is no logic in giving reputed failures high amount of chances for lifetime in every WCs

Absolutely agree. You are the one who is creating this nonsense and shooting it down. I never said that we should. I said we should not reward garbage bowlers by labeling them as all-rounders or whatever term you use multidimensional or other such terms. We sould not give reputed domestic failures any chance. Leave aside lifetime. They should not come near the national team.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Exactly. Rahul should be the keeper for the T20WC. Backed up by Jitesh.

Here is one instance of non sense. one of the reputed failure is demanded to be the WKB in World Cup. 2007 WC Squad had players who doesnt had any T20 stats still they managed to win the title, whereas SENA teams had more experience then Indian team in playing T20s as they had league already started before T20 WC got recognition, so arguing with the domestic stats and limited chances for multidimmensional players is baseless. Repeated WC failures should go underground with their useless stats and ranking

[prasen9]

Exactly. Rahul should be the keeper for the T20WC. Backed up by Jitesh.

Here is one instance of non sense. one of the reputed failure is demanded to be the WKB in World Cup. 2007 WC Squad had players who doesnt had any T20 stats still they managed to win the title, whereas SENA teams had more experience then Indian team in playing T20s, so arguing with the domestic stats and limited chances for multidimmensional players is baseless.

There is no nonsense there. Show me a keeper who has done better thatn Rahul consistently and I would be happy to have him. Argue with domestic stats by all means. Just labeling someone with some nonsense like "multidimensional" and that too spelling it wrong is just bad PR. If some keeper comes out in the IPL and does well, we should include him. No country has won a single title with domestic failures. Show me one. Your creating some new nonsense will not make it reality.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Exactly. Rahul should be the keeper for the T20WC. Backed up by Jitesh.

Here is one instance of non sense. one of the reputed failure is demanded to be the WKB in World Cup. 2007 WC Squad had players who doesnt had any T20 stats still they managed to win the title, whereas SENA teams had more experience then Indian team in playing T20s, so arguing with the domestic stats and limited chances for multidimmensional players is baseless.

There is no nonsense there. Show me a keeper who has done better thatn Rahul consistently and I would be happy to have him. Argue with domestic stats by all means. Just labeling someone with some nonsense like "multidimensional" and that too spelling it wrong is just bad PR. If some keeper comes out in the IPL and does well, we should include him.

Your logic & stat padding fully failed when the team won one & only title in 2007 WC through major wins against experienced SENA sides. You show me KL 's performance in T20 WC and what he achieved in 2019WC semi against NZ & 2023 final against Aussies. If selectors are in the way to kick Kohli out they should kick out the entire reputed battalion out from 2024 WC probables.