T20 World Cup, W.Indies/USA 2024

[prasen9]

I think we should see which wicket-keeper has the highest SR with a qualifying average of 25 in the IPL and choose the one with the highest SR. Or even, a min qualifying of 20 average will do. We need hard hitters in the MO. We won't have a wicket-keeper in the upper order.

You are right. Gill has a very strong lobby and thus will not be out. It would be sad if Jashasvi is out. Guy needs to build his lobby.

[Kumar]

2023

Jurel 21.7 avgand SR 170 runs 150
Jitesh 23 avg and SR 156 runs 209
Samson 30 avg and SR 153 runs 362
Ishan 30 avg and SR 142 runs 454
KL 34 avg and SR 113 runs 274

Almost very difficult for middle order to average 25. It is very difficult to compare SR between players batting at different positions. It is not a very fair comparison.

My guess is that both Gill and Jaiswal will be in 15. If kohli is part of team, they may have to go with just one wicket keeper or lose one of Gill/Jaiswal/Rinku

[prasen9]

In the last year, for the top eight countries in T20Is, the average for the wicket-keeper is 26.6 and SR is 142. Do we think we can win the cup with a below average keeper?

For someone batting at #6, the average is 25.6 and SR is 144. Again, do we want to choose a substandard #6?

None of our five specialist bowlers are that good to bat at #6 unless we play Hardik as one of the top five bowlers. Then, of course we can choose someone who is batting at an average of 18 or so with a SR of 138 or so.

Choosing by gut feeling and giving some brownie points for mental calmness, I would choose Jurel and KL. Or, Jurel and Jitesh if Jitesh can keep scoring runs with some decent average and SR in the IPL. Note that in the IPL you get an extra batter because of the substitution rule. Which means mentally, batters in the IPL have a bit more license to go for it and thus should have a higher SR than what they will in T20Is, just as we have higher SRs in T20Is than in ODIs. The difference is not that stark but should be a bit. So, the SRs will go down a bit and maybe the averages will go up a bit if the IPL and T20Is were the same game, but, I think in T20Is, the bowling and the pressure is better on average than at the IPL. So, don't know if the averages go up and SRs go down per se.

[Kumar]

Last two years,

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin ... pe=batting


There are three batsman who were designated wicket keeper that had average of 25 and SR of 140 or higher and played at 4-7. These were Wade (48,147), Klassen (30 and 152) and Butler (28 and 162). Only Wade had more than 5 games

If u change it to position 6 and 7, there is Just Wade.


As to wkb at top of order(1-3), Ishan Kishen has been absolutely putrid. Only other batsman with worser average than Ishan is Pant (but Pant has better SR). No one else has worser SR than Ishan. Seriously Ishan has failed as WKB opener and i would absolutely not select him unless he plays lower down the order in this IPL .


https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin ... pe=batting

[Kumar]

Why does this expert commentators have short term mempry? Don’t they remember that Pant was dropped in favor of Dinesh Karthik just before he got injured. Why do they all talk like he is an automatic choice?

[Sin Hombre]

They can't differentiate formats.

[prasen9]

Basically, they are lazy. They don't want to go back and look. Also, in India, there is a bit of an extra level of hero worship. That is why these players are not dropped. This happens in traditionally conservative societies. We look at these players are authority figures and respect is an important part of our culture. We cannot respect someone greatly and then chuck them out like used tissue paper is the feeling.

I would put Pant in my all-time test team, but not have him in my T20I team. I would put Jadeja in my all-time test team too, but bat him no earlier than #8 (after Ashwin if he plays) in our current test team at home. But, the so-called experts don't care about nuances. For them, you are either for or against this player - tribalism in thinking still pervades.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

IPL stats will be monitored only for few players who are in team management's radar. Not a single fringe player doing well in IPL have chance to get selected for T20 WC Squad

[prasen9]

Well, in the past, the media played a role in hyping players with some sensationalizing. Umran got selected that way. Something that looks great on TV like his very fast ballst that got people out when they were trying to hit. Maybe this time something like that will happen. Let us see. In general, I agree that this team management is very nepotistic. Will see if the selection committee has any spine or will go with them.

[Atithee]

^^I thought we just applauded the selectors for choosing new faces and not nepo babies in the test series.

[prasen9]

I applauded the selectors for choosing some new batters and not going back to Pujara or Rahane. But, there are people who are stronger darlings of the management. Gill, Rahul, Rohit, Kohli, Jadeja. Already Jay Shah announced Rohit to be the captain. We will see if the selectors actually want and can prevail in taking out the non-performing players. Among these Gill has performed the best in T20Is unlike in tests abroad and should be in the team. Let us see what the selectors do. Kohli's coach thinks that there will be rampant nepotism. I think there will be some but people who can manage to get media attention in the IPL will possibly come into the selectors minds. Let us see.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Umran can be a media hype. What about fringe players like Ruturaj, V Iyer they could have easily selected for T20 WC after doing well against best players of the World in IPL topping the chart. Rayudu doing well for CSK in 2018 IPL came back in the Odi set up, same goes to Rahane his domestic stats went in vain, once he performed in IPL he was straight back into the test squad.DK, Ashwin in T20 WC 2022 from no where

[prasen9]

Ruturaj has been slower than Gill, Yashasvi, Rinku, SkAY, Dubey, Rohit, Shreyas, Tripathi, Axar, Jitesh. Axar, Jitesh, and maybe Tripathi don't score enough but the rest do. He should be a backup. That is, if we have an injury, then he is useful. Otherwise, he should not be in the first team.

Rohit, Yashasvi, Gill, SkAY, Rinku

are our top-5 batters. If one of the top 3 cannot go, then we should certainly consider him. To the extent I remember, Yashasvi, SkaY, Gill, etc. performed better than Ruturaj in the last IPL. What matters is the ability to score 25 on average and then we should choose by the biggest hitters among these. Ruturaj starts very slowly and is a liability many times. Of course, Samson, Ishan, Pant, Jadeja, Hardik, Kohli, NTTV, Rahul are slower than him but we should ideally not consider them either that much except while choosing allrounders, etc.

[Kumar]

Rohit, Gill, Sky, Kohli, Pandya,Jadeja, ? , kuldeep, Bumrah, Siraj, Arshdeep most likely playing 11

Unless they are brave enough to drop kohli..

[prasen9]

Yashasvi for Kohli. Dubey the backup batter. Or if someone emerges in the IPL. No Kohli please.