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Atithee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 3:43 am
Performing in Indian domestics is a joke. Serious players don’t participate so the performances are so watered down. And now there are so many minnow teams, that it’s a joke. The weakest go join these state teams. No point using domestics to evaluate players.
You are flat out wrong. People who fail in the Indian domestics in its weakened form should not be rewarded. See SkAY in List-As. We must use domestics to evaluate failures and keep them out.
Performing in Indian domestics is a necessary condition. Just not sufficient. Those that ignore the domestic failures and think they know better like Dravid are idiots.
Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:41 am
Indian domestic system is following equility for all. Since large n.o of teams are playing 4 dayers, team should be divided into two categories. Elite group teams should'nt get chance to bash Plate group teams unless relegation system begins. Development required in tracks. Each round should be played in pure green & pure spinning tracks. To do well in SENA, BCCI needs to bring in drop in pitches, so that players learn how to handle chest high & chin music deliveries. India A system has been slowed post covid, only 5 tours happened since 2020, 2 SA tour, one Bangladesh tour ( which was'nt required), Sri Lanka & NZ at home. When Dravid took over chairman of NCA, India A system was highly active, tours of Aus, NZ, WI, England & SA happened regularly, now BCCI is least interest to make regular tours
I agree with this fully too except that the Bangladesh tour was required. All tours are useful. We need people who can play on spinning pitches too. Our domestic is too weak. A Bangladesh A team is a good practice team instead of the Manipurs of the world.
Prasidh Krishna, Umran Malik, Kuldeep Sen, Yudhvir Singh.....these four has got lots of skill and they needs proper coach to evolve as good fast bowler. Its impossible now for a mediocre coach like Mambhrey too bring these bowlers in track. Bharat Arun must be reappointed to work with these bowlers.
First the stupidest of stupid rules set up by the esteemed judge has to go. Who thought of age limit of 60 for a coach. Why no age limit for president of federation. This robbed us of one of the best bowling coaches we had in Bharath Arun and also paved way for Shastri to leave (Dada’s long term goal). Dada really dropped the ball when he pushed for Kohli’s ouster). They made very bad calculations that KL was ready to take over.
Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:26 pm
But do we have any problem in Asian & Indian condition ? don't think so, requires best test batters in SENA condition
We got comprehensively beaten by Australia in that test match which prompted the mgmt to play or safe by making the fourth test match pitch a flat track where Gill hit a century. Our batsman are no longer the greatest players of spin. Kohli has struggled in the past. I foresee a very difficult series against England and in fact would not be surprised if we end up losing or drawing this series
Why should the same rules not apply to batsman like bowlers. Ashwin does not get selected in English conditions. We play only two pace bowlers in India. Similarly play batsman who can play spin very well in Asian pitches and select players who are more adaptable for SEN conditoons
Kumar wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 1:31 pm
My preferred playing 11 for england
Jaiswal, Rohit, Mayank , kohli, Shreyas Iyer, KL, Bharath, jadeja, Axar, Ashwin and one pacer (Siraj)
But will never happen. The best test player on indian pitches will probably never play another test match.
Why Rohit? We need to move away from him. Need to move away from several more in this team such as Axar too. The reality is that test matches is a burden for Indian players no matter what they utter in public.
Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:26 pm
But do we have any problem in Asian & Indian condition ? don't think so, requires best test batters in SENA condition
We got comprehensively beaten by Australia in that test match which prompted the mgmt to play or safe by making the fourth test match pitch a flat track where Gill hit a century. Our batsman are no longer the greatest players of spin. Kohli has struggled in the past.
This team has got players now who has spend lots of time in domestic cricket, previously many did'nt shown any interest in playing domestic and as result they found difficulty in handling spin.
Kumar wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:35 pm
I foresee a very difficult series against England and in fact would not be surprised if we end up losing or drawing this series
In last series, spin wasn't a factor it was Axar Patel's straight deliveries that ruined England whole series. Previously tracks in India were spin friendly, now it has changed. It will be hard for England unless they gets Pakistan like condition in India.
Kumar wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:35 pm
Why should the same rules not apply to batsman like bowlers. Ashwin does not get selected in English conditions. We play only two pace bowlers in India. Similarly play batsman who can play spin very well in Asian pitches and select players who are more adaptable for SEN conditoons
Thats the biggest issue, 3 spinners who gets picked has done well only at home, their away stats are rubbish. Ravi Bhisnoi, Saurabh Kumar, Kumar Karthikyan should be tried in this series & 2nd pacers should be a new commer along with Shami / Siraj or Bumrah.
The replacements have to cut their teeth in A tours before they are pitchforked into the national team. While it’s not their fault that A tours are not happening, but domestic performance alone will not be sufficient to displace a current member because there’s competition even at national level for almost all spots—at least bowlers’. An exception or two may happen.
I do think we need to take some bold decisions for the top order batting. Identifying replacements and giving them assurance of a long run, especially if they debut in SENA, would be critical for the chosen ones. We may also want to hand over the reign of the test team to Pant now. Rohit needs to be politely shown the door.
Where’s that other IPL bowling sensation—Madhwal? He’s 30 years old through. No one has mentioned him as a potential here. Is he lower in the pecking order? Can he bat well?
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Countries across the world don't really have as many A-team tours. People who have failed in a lot of chances need to be out. We are sure they cannot cut it. If we don't have A-teams, we should choose the best domestic performers and give them a chance. It will take us longer without the A-team tours, e.g., we will have more Gill-types who will fail but keeping the old deadwood is useless for sure.
We also need to have different teams for different formats. Right now, too many same players in all three squads. This is a recipe for disaster and the results shows it too.
