New Zealand in India 2023 [ 3 Odis & 3T20Is ]
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Re: New Zealand in India 2023 [ 3 Odis & 3T20Is ]
On this pitch, everyone was struggling against spin. The ball was spinning randomly and a lot with a bit of variable bounce. Hardik was stupid to bowl himself and Mavi. And, Santner was perhaps stupid to bowl Duffy at the beginning and maybe Tickner at the end. Anyway, good to see Arshdeep get his form back. Hope he continues in this vein.
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Re: New Zealand in India 2023 [ 3 Odis & 3T20Is ]
Opponent team doesnt comes from spin friendly conditions. No one will take their failure seriously exceot their team, but home team struggling against SENA country spinners at home is more then a surprise as they are brought up from these type of tracks. Talking about opponent team failure in this track is nothing but a big excuse to hide own failure
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At the end of the day, the team won. Now, Gill, Tripathi, Kishan, Prithvi, Gaikwad, Pant, Padikkal, Rana have been failures for some matches. Some more some less. As has Samson. So, in the below 30 category, nobody has really succeeded in T20Is. That is a huge worry. We need some of the juniors to pick up the slack and push the oldies. And, Hardik has done well with the bat. Maybe Hooda has done okay. PKB will tell us he beat up on Ireland. Well, at least he beat up someone. The others just get beaten up themselves. The youngsters. Spin, pace, whatever. They have failed against everything. Someone should put their hand up and make their name. Can someone average 25 @ a SR of 135? Ideally, we would like 140 but I'd settle for 135 seeing these slowpokes bat.
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Re: New Zealand in India 2023 [ 3 Odis & 3T20Is ]
Prithvi Shaw still needs to play more domestic to get picked. Its surprising how his name gets hyped after every domestic knock and he gets picked, players like SKY, Sarfaraz had to wait alot for their chance. Prithvi gets picked everytime scores, 30/40 and again gets dropped.How a prolific consistent ranji trophy scorer doesnt gets picked for Test cricket and how one or two 100/300 scorer in ranji gets picked for T20I is questionable. One or two 200/300 against North East side shouldnt be criteria for selection, in that case Narayan Jagadeesan should also get picked in one of the format
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Prithvi Shaw has played 92 T20s and averages 26 with a SR of 150. Good enough work to get a run I say. Unlike the several Mr. Rudderless-es (Avesh, Umran, etc.) who we have played without having a decent body of work in T20s. In List As, he averages over 50 with a SR of 123. That is phenomenal. In FC cricket above 50 @ a SR of over 80. Playing for the same team wherein Surya averages 44 or so. He averages over 40 in tests. And, over 30 in ODIs (which needs to improve). Unlike the bowlers, we require our batters to do a lot more before they get a cap. Except that we mix formats and reward people for tests based on their T20/IPL exploits (SY).
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Prithvi Shaw's Test selection always has been lobby based.Ranji trophy toppers like Fazal, Panchal all were dumbed despite scoring in domestic & A team and has nearly finished their career by getting picked as extra.Devdutt Padikkal has never been picked in odis despite scoring most runs in two back to back seasons of VHT.Shaw's inclusion in T20I is to dumb Ruturaj Gaikward who was benched for no reason in Sri Lanka T20Is to provide space for Gill. Prithvi scoring runs in 3rd T20I against NZ means no chance for Gaikward in upcomming T20I as Hardik's intention of playing Gill before Ruturaj is quiet clear.In reality, Shaw needs to perform more in domestic & A team to get picked for the national team, moreover Shaw never faced what SKY has faced & Sarfaraz is facing by scoring plenty in domestic
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Panchal never averaged over 50 in FC. I do not remember Fazal's but maybe his age was a problem. The problem with Padikkal is that he is too slow in List-As and T20s. Not very slow but a tad slow. The game now needs hitters who can average 50 and 25 in ODIs and T20Is with a SR of around 100 and 140 (or at least 135). Padikkal has phenomenal averages in the white ball game but his SR is 85 and a tad below 135. That is slow in the modern game. If he is 135 in the domestics, he will possibly be slower in the international one.
Good to see Gill take his chances in the white ball game. I hope we dump Kishan from the T20Is and give the Jitendra guy a chance. He should be played in the ODIs and then when he starts dominating there move him to the T20Is. See Gill. Gill should be given a long run in ODIs and T20Is.
Good to see Gill take his chances in the white ball game. I hope we dump Kishan from the T20Is and give the Jitendra guy a chance. He should be played in the ODIs and then when he starts dominating there move him to the T20Is. See Gill. Gill should be given a long run in ODIs and T20Is.
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Re: New Zealand in India 2023 [ 3 Odis & 3T20Is ]
So among the potential pace-bowlers, we have:
By avg: Mavi 17.57@8.58, Arshdeep 17.78@8.39, Umran 22.09@10.48, Umesh 23.33@9.33, Thakur 23.39@9.15, DLC 24.24@8.17, Pandya 26.43@8.14.
So, Hardik is the most economic, followed by DLC, Arshdeep.
By avg: Mavi 17.57@8.58, Arshdeep 17.78@8.39, Umran 22.09@10.48, Umesh 23.33@9.33, Thakur 23.39@9.15, DLC 24.24@8.17, Pandya 26.43@8.14.
So, Hardik is the most economic, followed by DLC, Arshdeep.
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Re: New Zealand in India 2023 [ 3 Odis & 3T20Is ]
Rajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:47 pm Prithvi Shaw's Test selection always has been lobby based.Ranji trophy toppers like Fazal, Panchal all were dumbed despite scoring in domestic & A team and has nearly finished their career by getting picked as extra.Devdutt Padikkal has never been picked in odis despite scoring most runs in two back to back seasons of VHT.Shaw's inclusion in T20I is to dumb Ruturaj Gaikward who was benched for no reason in Sri Lanka T20Is to provide space for Gill. Prithvi scoring runs in 3rd T20I against NZ means no chance for Gaikward in upcomming T20I as Hardik's intention of playing Gill before Ruturaj is quiet clear.In reality, Shaw needs to perform more in domestic & A team to get picked for the national team, moreover Shaw never faced what SKY has faced & Sarfaraz is facing by scoring plenty in domestic
The year and a half before he was selected, Prithvi Shaw was in dominant form in domestic cricket, and especially for India A. He and Mayank Agarwal went to England with India A, and showed terrific form -- so it was a bit unfair to pick Vihari (based on performances for Hyderadad in the Plate division of Ranji) over the two performers in the India A side. Eventually Mayank was picked in Australia, but Prithvi kicked the door in with superb performances. Panchal and Fazal were never in that league.
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The real question is not whether he had the body of work that deserved selection but whether it was dope-induced.
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Re: New Zealand in India 2023 [ 3 Odis & 3T20Is ]
Does'nt found any "terrific" in Shaw's form in tour of England for India A teamPKBasu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:41 pmRajkumar Sharma wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:47 pm Prithvi Shaw's Test selection always has been lobby based.Ranji trophy toppers like Fazal, Panchal all were dumbed despite scoring in domestic & A team and has nearly finished their career by getting picked as extra.Devdutt Padikkal has never been picked in odis despite scoring most runs in two back to back seasons of VHT.Shaw's inclusion in T20I is to dumb Ruturaj Gaikward who was benched for no reason in Sri Lanka T20Is to provide space for Gill. Prithvi scoring runs in 3rd T20I against NZ means no chance for Gaikward in upcomming T20I as Hardik's intention of playing Gill before Ruturaj is quiet clear.In reality, Shaw needs to perform more in domestic & A team to get picked for the national team, moreover Shaw never faced what SKY has faced & Sarfaraz is facing by scoring plenty in domestic
The year and a half before he was selected, Prithvi Shaw was in dominant form in domestic cricket, and especially for India A. He and Mayank Agarwal went to England with India A, and showed terrific form --
Unofficial Odis :
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin ... tournament
Unofficial Test:
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin ... ype=series
Vihari was picked by dumping Karun Nair, not these two and it was one of the biggest unfair treatment in recent years. A test triple centurian should have got some more test matchesso it was a bit unfair to pick Vihari (based on performances for Hyderadad in the Plate division of Ranji) over the two performers in the India A side.
Panchal has always been top run getter in Ranji Trophy in last 4-5 years, however lobby had no interest in pucking him.Fazal got less chance in playing A team cricket despite domestic performances.Panchal and Fazal were never in that league.