Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

[prasen9]

Can't compare less injured players with full time Citizens of NCA. Travis Head can gurantee a full series, which is impossible for DLC & Sundar

Nobody can guarantee a full series. Whoever believes that is either a fool or does not know the meaning of the word "guarantee". Head could not play this full WC series as a matter of fact.

[prasen9]

This ton could have come much earlier but selection politics hurt him, Gaikward is far better then overrated Gill. Backing that overrated Prince will hurt India if he gets picked for WC & chokers should be strictly banned from destroying this team.

Nobody told him not to hit the ton in the chances he got. We should stop making excuses for people. Nobody told him to bat slower than Gill. Gill got the hits. Gaikwad did not until now. Even then his SR is worse than Gill's even after including the boost from today.

That said, brilliant century by Gaikwad. He should be preferred to the oldies now if he can keep his form going. Not before Gill yet. These guys ordered by SR: RKS, SkAY, Jaiswal, Gill, NTTV, Gaikwad ... oldies including Hardik ... Ishan. I would select the first six with Rahul if we can get NTTV and Jaiswal to bowl a full quota. Otherwise, we go with Rahul and Hardik from the oldies. Currently, Gaikwad is the first backup but it should depend upon performance and people will move up or down the preference list based on what they do. Not on a hope and a prayer. Neither on excuses.

We did not reach 230 because of a completely destructive inning by Ishan where he wasted almost another over at the beginning without scoring. Jaiswal was slow today too but everyone has a bad day I suppose.

Surya did fine given the conditions. Slow but he had to play a bit slow to make sure we don't lose another wicket.

NTTV was out of sorts. He is becoming a concern now due to loss of form. The Aussies bowled all their bowlers they need to test out. We should get NTTV some bowling to see what he can do.

[prasen9]

Among the youngsters, Khanchand got 8 matches, Gill and Jaiswal 11 matches, Tilak 13, Gaikwad 17, Dube 18, Samson 24, Ishan 32. Ishan cannot use an excuse he did not get enough chances. Guess what the others got even less than him and they produced much better innings than him. All of the young ones. Basically now after Gaikwad's innings. So, we need to move on from Samson and Ishan for the sake of fairness. And, no, Gaikwad did not get fewer chances than Gill.

Too bad, NTTV did not get out today. We did not have the Khanchand show.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

DLC got into the team. Time to stop SMT where performers are getting no rewards. Atith Seth, Tushar Deshpande, Mohsin, Rasik Salam did much better then DLC but not picked. Leggie's will play useless billaterals and finger spinner will play all the ICC tournaments

[prasen9]

Ishan Kishan was the MoM. For those who have not watched in Axar's last over, the 19th, Ishan in his over eagerness got the ball before it passed the stumps. It is a stupid rule but the rule is that if the wicket-keeper collects the ball before it has passed the stumps it is a no ball. And, the opposing team gets a free hit. So, what would have been a dot ball became 1 run, then it became a free hit that Wade hit for six. And, off the last ball that Axar had beaten Maxwell, he gave away 4 byes. The equation became from an impossible-ish 32 off the last over to 21. In the meantime because of the extra ball, replay, bye, etc. we ran out of time and thus could not have full protection on the boundary in the last over.

Which brings us to the next piece utter failure in this game. Prasidh Krishna. He has bowled badly throughout this match. Where the need of the hour was to bowl slow, wide yorkers, he went and bowled ball after ball of good length and short balls with pace on it and Maxwell dispatched them and so did Wade. Stupidity. If he cannot bowl slow yorkers, he should not be in the team. It is not that hard. It seemed everyone was telling him to do so.

[sameerph]

Mathew Wade almost gave away the match to India by giving last over to Maxwell who had not bowled a over before that. But, we gave it away in our last over thru Prasidh Krishna. This guy should not be there in T20's.

[prasen9]

Before this, Ishan gave away 11 extra runs in the over before.

But, you are absolutely right. This guy has out-Umraaned Umraan. I did not think we would see an Indian bowler more rudderless than Umraan. But, here he is. And by miles. Crazy.

[prasen9]

Here are all our pacers in the last 5 years.

Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI Ave EconAscending SR 4 5
JJ Bumrah 2019-2023 22 21 76.4 5 472 26 3/12 18.15 6.15 17.6 0 0 investigate this query
B Kumar 2019-2022 53 52 177.1 8 1262 57 5/4 22.14 7.12 18.6 3 1 investigate this query
NA Saini 2019-2021 11 9 32.5 1 235 13 3/17 18.07 7.15 15.1 0 0 investigate this query
Mohammed Siraj 2021-2022 5 5 20.0 1 146 8 4/17 18.25 7.30 15.0 1 0 investigate this query
T Natarajan 2020-2021 4 4 16.0 0 122 7 3/30 17.42 7.62 13.7 0 0 investigate this query
DL Chahar 2019-2022 23 23 82.0 2 660 28 6/7 23.57 8.04 17.5 0 1 investigate this query
VR Iyer 2021-2022 9 4 9.1 0 75 5 2/23 15.00 8.18 11.0 0 0 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami 2019-2022 16 16 55.5 1 461 16 3/15 28.81 8.25 20.9 0 0 investigate this query
HH Pandya 2019-2023 57 47 140.0 0 1159 40 4/16 28.97 8.27 21.0 2 0 investigate this query
Arshdeep Singh 2022-2023 39 39 133.5 1 1150 56 4/37 20.53 8.59 14.3 1 0 investigate this query
Shivam Mavi 2023-2023 6 6 14.0 0 123 7 4/22 17.57 8.78 12.0 1 0 investigate this query
Mukesh Kumar 2023-2023 7 7 20.5 0 185 4 1/19 46.25 8.88 31.2 0 0 investigate this query
KK Ahmed 2019-2019 8 8 29.0 0 260 7 2/27 37.14 8.96 24.8 0 0 investigate this query
Avesh Khan 2022-2023 17 16 54.2 1 491 17 4/18 28.88 9.03 19.1 1 0 investigate this query
HV Patel 2021-2023 25 24 83.5 0 770 29 4/25 26.55 9.18 17.3 1 0 investigate this query
C Sakariya 2021-2021 2 1 3.4 0 34 1 1/34 34.00 9.27 22.0 0 0 investigate this query
SN Thakur 2020-2022 18 17 56.5 0 530 25 3/23 21.20 9.32 13.6 0 0 investigate this query
V Shankar 2019-2019 4 1 4.0 0 38 2 2/38 19.00 9.50 12.0 0 0 investigate this query
S Dube 2019-2023 18 16 29.3 0 290 6 3/30 48.33 9.83 29.5 0 0 investigate this query
Umran Malik 2022-2023 8 8 23.1 0 243 11 3/48 22.09 10.48 12.6 0 0 investigate this query
UT Yadav 2019-2022 3 3 9.0 0 96 3 2/27 32.00 10.66 18.0 0 0 investigate this query
M Prasidh Krishna 2023-2023 5 5 20.0 0 220 8 3/41 27.50 11.00 15.0 0 0 investigate this query
S Kaul 2019-2019 1 1 3.4 0 45 1 1/45 45.00 12.27 22.0 0 0 investigate this query

[prasen9]

DLC called in for the last two T20Is. Finally, I hope they play him. For the next match, I'd rather have DLC, Arshdeep, Avesh. No PK please.

In the 16th over, NTTV was not really trying to hit at all costs. His thinking has gotten muddled. His timing was off today. But, as Stoinis did, who was in worse form, he played selflessly. Hit out and let Wade finish things. NTTV should have done the same. Small things but small things matter in tight matches against top countries.

I think Bumrah, Siraj, DLC/Hardik will not be bad. What happened to Shivam Mavi? He at least could bat a little. Maybe a #9?

[Kumar]

I agree with Prasen. Ishan is an overrated T20 player. His SR is putrid for a player who has played as opener mostly. Out of 63 top order players(1-3) with more than 30 T20 innings in last 5 years, Ishan Kishen is 41 best in SR and 48 in average.

As opener , he is in the bottom half as well. In last one year, he has the worst batting average 18 and worst SR 112 in top order(1-3) among all Indian batsman. As opener his average in last 13 months drops to 9 and SR to 90.

Wondering if Selectors feel that there are no quality replacements behind him.

India can afford at most one anchor like player. Gaikwad is not known to play short balls or swinging deliveries very well. For some reason, Dravid has always not preferred Gaikwad. Even with CSK he is known to take time and then take off. He was 21 off 21 deliveries even in this game, but understandable considering we were down two wickets in less than 3 overs. My gut feeling is that he will far better 50 over batsman than T20. Considering that WC will be in slower pitches of WI, would Gaikwad be a better choice than Gill?

[Atithee]

Mathew Wade almost gave away the match to India by giving last over to Maxwell who had not bowled a over before that. But, we gave it away in our last over thru Prasidh Krishna. This guy should not be there in T20's.

PK bowled a superb 6 runs over before the fateful Axar’s 19th and his own 20th. Same batsmen. If PK can bat, like the old Pravin Kumar could, I’d still stick with him than proven batting failures.

As for Ishan, could one of Kumar or Prasen study his overall T20 performance (primarily include IPL) and not just as an India player? Does he still come out crap?

[Kumar]

Career IPL stats for Indian players


shan Kishen average 29 and SR 135
Gaikwad 39 and 135
Rohit 29.6 and SR 140 / 31.3 and 139 in T20I
Kohli 37/130 and 52/138
Jaiswal 32.5/148
KL 46.8/134 and 37.8/139
Samson 29.2/137
Pant 34/148
Abhishek Sharma 22/137
Rinku Singh 36/142
Tilak Verna 38/144
Venkatesh iyer 28/130
Jitesh Sharma 25/160
Juriel 21.7/172

Last IPL , his rank was 53 in SR and 33rd in average.
In 2022, he was ranked 90 in SR below Saha who is a far superior wicket keeper and even below Ashwin

[prasen9]

Small numbers don't mean anything but when someone is consistently bad, then there is something wrong. I want Ishan in ODIs. I am not against him. But, if we want him in T20Is, we need a coach who can manage him. He seems scared initially to hit. And, makes messes by giving away byes, collecting the ball before it passed the wickets, etc. He has the potential and the material. He needs good coaching.

Maybe Dhoni for coach? BCCI has unfortunately given Dravid an offer for an extension. Hope he resigns.

[prasen9]

What is the point in giving more chances to Iyer? Shreyas has been slow in T20Is. We will not win a WC with him. Give NTTV a full run even though he is out of form. Tell him what to do and see if he can fix things. Stupidity.

Another terrible innings by Gaikwad. Just when you think he can bat, he looks terrible.

[Raju Bhai]

This team needs a tear away quick. Charak who performed brilliantly in Mustaq Cup should have been picked along with Rasikh Salam. Suyash Sharma is much better then Chahal.Shreyas is rubbish, Venky Iyer should replace him in T20Is.