India in Bangladesh 2022

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Re: India in Bangladesh 2022

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prasen9 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:56 pm SAY and Hooda are not in the team in this tour.
Meaningless to drop them. As this tour was great stage for them to emerge as a batter who can bowl some spin. As, the management will definately select them in upcomming tours in odi side as they are getting no more options from rest of the talents.
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Deepak Chahar's 3 over 12 runs and 11 from 18 balls, got smashed in first odi, too harsh on Shahbaz Ahmed who was dropped in spin friendly track.
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India needs to play a different brand of cricket. Simple.

If they don’t, they’ll kill the goose that has been laying golden eggs.

If the lower order cannot bat, no matter how good a bowler you are, you should not be in the team. There is no one as pathetic as our frontline bowlers in terms of their batting contribution. This just can’t go on. And, we need to be explosive in opening power play. Frontline batters not bowling is tolerable. That’s the job of middle order and all rounders.
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I will differ from this slightly. There is no reason for the frontline - I assume you mean opening to #3 batters should not be resposible for 2-3 overs of relief. In ODIs, at least, opening is easier than batting in the middle order because of field restrictions. You see batters like Rohit, who failed in the top order do well as opening batters. All among top 7 should be asked to bowl. Identify 3 of them and have them improve their bowling by bowling regularly in the nets. For example, if Tendulkar is a good option as an odd bowler or Ganguly or Sehwag, there is no reason for a Kaif to be asked to bowl just because he is MO. We need to give 2-3 overs to our batsmen and create 2-3 people who can cover 2-3 overs.

As Raj said, also hone bona fide all-rounders aggressively and maybe give them chances instead of going for retreads like Thakur who cannot bowl in limited overs because he is not a containing bowler. We can try Thakur in tests only.
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Rajkumar Sharma wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:53 pm
prasen9 wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:56 pm SAY and Hooda are not in the team in this tour.
Meaningless to drop them. As this tour was great stage for them to emerge as a batter who can bowl some spin. As, the management will definately select them in upcomming tours in odi side as they are getting no more options from rest of the talents.
Absolutely, the round robin selection policy is a joke. Only idiots would use that.
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Rahul Dravid is now talking about the main team. :D So, he is moving away from two team theory, but in reality two team theory isn't bad if selectors had rewarded deserving players.Since, selectors were fired it seemed, Rohit & Dravid along with the management have made this selection.
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Yup, blaming everything except being honest. Too much money riding on individual players in India that keeps BCCI and team dishonest.
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Any respect I had left for Dravid has quickly disappeared. Same old politicking and regionalism, and lack of self-awareness as everyone else.

Hopefully this is the end of Dhawan after this Ishan masterpiece. Next we need to get rid of 2 of Rohit, Kohli and KL and we might have a faint chance at the home WC.
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Problem is in Dravid's old way of thinking. He thinks experienced players who are not performing, if you give them another go they will perform.He tried this with Rahane, failed now he is also failing with Dhawan. Thinking on experienced players getting more chances, changed under the captaincy of MSD, when he dropped senior pros for Aus tour and won CB series Odi tri nation tournament. Dravid might be trying to prove here a point, but two team method will not allow him to do so, as plenty of new commers are doing well in domestic, A games, IPL and for second string Indian side. Rohit & Kohli can't be dropped as they are performing, same with KL, but its end for Dhawan as he scored lots of low scores series after series.
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Ishan Kishan was averaging 39 in ODIs before this stunning knock, including a 93 against South Africa (at his near-home town of Ranchi), 50 in Harare and 59 in Colombo -- and yet he was not getting picked in the first XI. Some players need to do extraordinary things in order to get noticed, and I presume that blistering 210 will enhance his standing with the selectors.
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Abhimanyu Easwaran is recalled to the test squad after making two consecutive centuries for India A against Bangladesh A. Most well-deserved. I hope he gets to play the first test ahead of KL Rahul (although the latter may just slip in as the stand-in captain, as unjust an appointment as can be imagined). Sarfaraz Khan made a duck in the second match, although he picked up 4 good catches in the first innings; his unfortunate duck lost him his chance of getting into the test squad.
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Saurabh Kumar might get debut in first test because of his domestic & A team performances. Chattogram track might be flatest in first 2-3 days and Bangladesh's motive will be to draw the test by selecting batting heavy Playing XI. After Pakistan's series loss against England, India has now huge chance to qualify for WTC final, 2 pacers with 3 spinners is highly expected to feature in Playing XI.
KL Rahul, S Gill, C Pujara, V Kohli, S Iyer, R Pant, S Kumar,
A Patel, R Ashwin, U Yadav, M Siraj
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I would use Kuldeep Yadav instead of Saurabh. But, that depends upon form. Saurabh adds batting. So, if KY is not in good form, Saurabh it is. I think Ashwin will certainly bat before Axar and maybe even before Saurabh. Also, Bharat may be chosen instead of Pant if it is going to be a spinning wicket.
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Spinners are getting bite from Day 1. Odd ball keping low, more the game proceeds more trouble for the batter, certainly its seems result oriented track. KL Rahul needs to make technical adjustment getting out in similar way, quite few times since Asia Cup.Gill failed to grab the opportunity.Axar is just a left arm spinner, who can bat but he can't be Jadeja's replacement.
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Re: India in Bangladesh 2022

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Axar is Jadeja's replacement whether we like it or not. A good left-arm spinner who can bat a bit is better than the other junk. We also have to give people time to develop and grow. He can never be the batter Jadeja is perhaps or the fielder. But, hey, we do not win by immitating people who came before us. We win by creating a team that together works. Go Axar!

Ashwin is a very shrewd brain. I hope KL asks him to mentor the spinners and give tips to Kuldeep and Axar and maybe even the pacers as a bowling captain. KLR is not a very good or shrewd captain. He should recognize that and enable the seniors in the team. Maybe even Kohli to give pep talks and energize the team.
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