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Alcaraz is #1 at 19 and Nadal is #2 at 36. Of course, the asterisk is COVID-induced sacking of Djokovic at the Aussie, arguably his favorite slam. But, life is life. Two trivia questions:

1. Is this the biggest difference in age between a #1 and a #2 - almost 17 years save one month?

2. Was there a case of #1 and #2 from the same country before? Who were they? McEnroe-Connors? Courier-Chang? Sampras-Agassi? I am reasonably sure that the last pair must have been at some point in their lives. Don't remember if Courier and Chang overlapped ... or if the bad boy and Connors were #1 and #2 at the same time - Bjorg was there to break that up I presume ...
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The age difference must be a first. Connors (22 in Sep 1974) beat 39 year old Rosewall (40 in Dec 1974) in both the Wimbledon and US Open final in 1974, but I don't think Rosewall finished the year as #2.

Wilander and Edberg may have been 1 and 2 one year, but I need to check. Lendl and/or Becker would have separated them most years...
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I checked Sampras-Agassi, which was the most obvious to me, and they were #1 and #2 at some point. The rest I'll have to check too.
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Edberg was #2 and Wilander #3 at the beginning of 1988, but when Wilander ended the year at #1, Edberg had dropped to #5.

Courier was #1 at the beginning of 1993, Sampras was #3. At the end of the year, they reversed ranks, but Stich separated them.

Sampras was #1 and Agassi #2 at the end of 1994. And the same was true at the end of 1995.
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Two Americans were #1 and #2 at the end of 1996 too: Sampras and Chang.

In 1997, not: ranking was Sampras, Rafter, Chang at 1, 2, 3 at the end of 1997.

In 1998, there were 5 non-Americans between #1 Sampras and #6 Agassi.
In 1999, there was one non-American (Kafelnikov) between #1 Agassi and #3 Sampras.

So this is the first time in 26 years that #1 and #2 are from the same country.
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Thanks for hunting it down. I am interested in anytime during the year rankings but it is more difficult to check. The year-end is fewer in number.

Here is an article that says that the U.S. was the only country to have had both a #1 and #2. article and you identified two instances of that Sampras-Agassi and Sampras-Chang.

I think in 2000 Sampras-Agassi were #1 and #2 as the article says but maybe it was not year-end.
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Great topic. Like PKB said, the age difference between the two guys must really be a first, maybe for any pair of players, not necessarily from the same country. The Connors-Rosewall case that PKB's remembers itself is an amazing rarity. For Rosewall to be ranked that high at age 40, that is.
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Have #1 to #4 in doubles ranking (or the top two year end teams) ever been from the same country? I know, nobody cares, but that might be a rarity too.
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prasen9 wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:26 am Alcaraz is #1 at 19 and Nadal is #2 at 36. Of course, the asterisk is COVID-induced sacking of Djokovic at the Aussie, arguably his favorite slam. But, life is life.

Yes, Djokovic is completely under ranked. Not only did he miss the Aus Open but his 2000 points from the Wimbledon title is also not counted. Otherwise, he would be solidly in the top 3 and higher depending on how he does in the year ending event. Kyrgious also misses out on a potential top 10 ranking as his best result (Wimbledon runners up and its 1200 points) isn't included in his total.
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A moderator, can you kindly delete the spam link on courier and this message? Thanks.
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Done. Thanks Prasen for pointing out.
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Is this a genuine revival of US men's tennis, or a fluke -- the fact that 4 of the last 16 in men's singles at this year's AO are Americans, and at least 2 (possibly 3) of the last 8 will be American?

Sebastian Korda (seeded 29) is the only seed among the 4, and clearly one who has been marked out as a prospect for awhile. Ben Shelton is from a solid tennis family but didn't take up the sport until he was 12 (8 years ago), so he may be a late bloomer (still ranked only 89, his career high). JJ Wolf has made something of a move in the past half year, but at 24 (ranked just outside top 50) his run here has been a surprise. Tommy Paul may be under-ranked, since his run to the last-16 at Wimbledon last year earned him no points (and he also made R3 at the US Open last year).
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Khachanov-Tsitsipas are favored for one of the semis. Djokovic-Augusta+Batut for the other. Americans Shelton and Skorda are still alive.

On the women's side, the favored are Ostapenko-Pegula in one semi and Pliskova-Sabalenka. As an aside, our ice hockey center is named after Pegula (her father is a billionaire owner of the Buffalo Bills).
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The QF draw for men (likely) is: Khachanov vs Korda, Tsitsipas vs Lehecka, Rublev vs Djokovic (most likely, he leads DeMinaur 62 61 30) and Shelton vs Paul (who leads 2 sets to 1 against Bautista-Agut).

Update: Tommy Paul goes comfortably through to the QF, beating Bautista-Agut in 4 sets. So one American semifinalist is assured, following the US Open (where Tiafoe made the SF). There does seem to be a good cohort of about 8 decent American male players now.
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PKBasu wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:36 am Is this a genuine revival of US men's tennis, or a fluke -- the fact that 4 of the last 16 in men's singles at this year's AO are Americans, and at least 2 (possibly 3) of the last 8 will be American?

Sebastian Korda (seeded 29) is the only seed among the 4, and clearly one who has been marked out as a prospect for awhile. Ben Shelton is from a solid tennis family but didn't take up the sport until he was 12 (8 years ago), so he may be a late bloomer (still ranked only 89, his career high).
Of course, Korda is also from a "solid" tennis family with a GS winning father and a WTA player mom! Worth noting that 17 year old Nishesh Basavareddy (from a solid computer family :D ) is dominating US college tennis this year. Last year's top collegiate player, Ben Shelton, is now in the QFs of the Australian Open, so Nishesh may do quite well if he chooses tennis over academics.

Terry Pegula also owns the Buffalo Sabres, so that explains his interest in the ice hockey arena naming rights (and likely donation).
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