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Good that Jaiswal got selected. One season is basically 9 matches. Selection to Rest of India should not be based on that. Jaiswal has been phenomenal with an average of 70 in 21 dismissals. Good for him. Hope he takes his chances. Harvik Desai has been barely a good bat and Gharami has been good but barely over their careers. Upendra Yadav has a much better record as a keeper bat. Hope gets to play and does well. Easwaran is good and I hope he opens with Mayank. Sheth looks like a good allrounder. Hope he pans out and then we will have a pacer-bowling allrounder ... Baba Indrajith is also a solid bat. Yash Dhull is a classy bat.

So, I'd choose: Mayank, Easwaran, Dhull, Baba, Upendra, Jaiswal, Sheth, ...
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On that logic many could be picked Debdutt Padikkal, Manish Pandey, Rajat Patidar, Prithvi Shaw, Shams Mulani, Baba Aparajith
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Aussies are among best test side with 8 games in Sheffield Shield season. NZ are WTC champion with 4 games in Plunket Shield season.9 games in a ranji season is enough for selection in Irani & Duleep Trophy. India & England are the only countries where lots of domestic competition takes place.England winning ICC tournaments & India now becoming a certified choker in ICC knockouts, one of the big reason is making these stupid selection in base level cricket
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I completely agree with you. 38 teams playing Ranji is turning to be useless. Out of 38 only 6 are termed as weak sides and are placed in Plate Group whereas 15-16 teams are there in rest of the groups who have managed to win just 1 or 2 games in the season and BCCI is still not analyzing domestic performances of these teams. 1/2 match winners in ranji should be relegated
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The problem is that the 9 games become a joke when you play about 400 players. There should be a top-division and lower-division. Our progress towards that got diluted because of politics, I believe. So, effectively, it is not even 2-3 games against high quality teams. And, New Zealand, Australia never choose based on the flavor of the day even after that.

Devdutt Padikkal? He is a poor FC batsman averaging 35 or so. This is the type of player we should stay far away from wrt the test team even if he kept wickets. And, he is not that great a keeper or bowler to add to that. Manish Pandey is indeed a class bat. I think he was given chances but not in the longer format unfortunately. The selectors have moved on because of his age, I believe.

Patidar, no, because he is from MP and we are talking about RoI vs MP. Prithvi Shaw, yes. Baba Aparajith, no. Again, a poor FC record.

So, only Prithvi and Manish should have been considered. The criteria should be that you have to be a good player and then among them someone who had good form in the last Ranji Trophy. I would not mind seeing Prithvi instead of Easwaran.
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While the test is being played on a treacherous pitch at Holkar stadium, the Irani Cup match at the Scindia family seat of Gwalior has produced 116 runs for 1 wicket in 30.4 overs. Skipper Mayank Agarwal fell early for 2 to Avesh Khan, but Eashwaran (60*) and Yashaswi Jaiswal (51*) have since consolidated nicely. A pity that Kuldeep Sen (perhaps an even better MP pacer than Avesh Khan) is still injured.
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Interestingly, Easwaran is doubling up as a keeper. How good or bad is he? The pitch is totally flat it seems and Easwaran and Jaiswal have scored sparkling centuries, it seems. [From score-board reading]

Kuldeep may be is better in white-ball cricket. But, in the longer format, Avesh has been very good. He averages 22 with the ball to 28 by Kuldeep. Avesh 35 matches, Kuldeep 17. I'd take Avesh only based on bowling skills. But, Avesh is also a slighly better bat than Kuldeep. But, ideally, both should have been in the team if Kuldeep was fit.

Avesh has been very good in FC cricket, okay to good in T20s, and pretty bad in List-A cricket. Don't know why. But, we did not play him in tests maybe because we have pretty good bowlers. We played him in T20Is and ODIs, where he was rubbish. We should send him in an A-team for the longer version of the game.
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Y Jaiswal doing great in domestic, but selectors should'nt rush to include him in national team, neither in second string squad, let him play another season, more India A games, practice games against visiting side then he should be considered otherwise he might end up as another Prithvi Shaw
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BCCI needs to rethink on domestic 50 over cricket. With one Vizay Hazare Trophy, fresh odi talents will not come, they should bring back either Challenger Trophy or Deodhar trophy
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With a fine domestic season crowned with a double century and century in the Irani Cup match, Yashaswi Jaiswal should at least be called up into the India test squad for Ahmedabad. He need not necessarily play in the XI (although I don't see why he shouldn't replace Iyer). I would play Jaiswal as opener, and allow Gill to bat at #5 in place of Shreyas Iyer.
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I would play Siraj and ask him to bowl off spin instead of pace.
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Yes, Siraj is such a genius that he will bowl better off-spin than say Kuldeep who has been trying to learn how to bowl for a decade. Not to talk of his being the worst fielder in the game perhaps and very close to the worst test batter currently playing.
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If the team depend on Siraj's batting then its better stop playing.Not only Siraj, many decent fielders have dropped catches in this test series. As per bowling, pacers could'nt have done anything more in these sort of tracks.Siraj, Shami, Umesh's bowling need to be watched in WTC final, upcomming overseas test series.Umesh, & Shami is aleady 33+ and management haven't shown any interest in launching new pacers in test cricket
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No Indian pacer has let go 2-3 fours under their legs every innings and fail to bend down to stop a ball if posted at midon or midoff. Today's modern game requires people to bat at least a little bit. Teams who have long tails win more games. Simple as that. 11 batsmen will always score more than 10 batsmen assuming same quality. There is no point in unleashing crappy pacers in test cricket before they are ready. Bumrah was good and got a chance. Ishant got phased out. Siraj will come into the team in England as he should because of his bowling and will be in the ODI team again as he should. But, Dravid should take some disciplinary action if he shows no interest in fielding better, running between the wickets with intent and not getting runout stupidly, and at least try to improve his batting. Just like he should be a certainty in England and in ODIs, he should not be played in test matches in India. Going through the matches hardly bowling does him no good. In fact, it may dent his confidence. And, it is completely stupid to ask him to bowl spin when we have a better spinner on the bench who is also a better batter and a better fielder. Unadkat is 31 and he will be playing 4-5 more years because he does not have that much toil on his body and is fit. By then, we need to find bowlers and we have enough young bowlers who are coming through the system who will eventually step up. Mukesh Kumar is next in line and is 29 years and will give us 6 years or so if he is good enough. Things are fine.
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prasen9 wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:50 pmAnd, it is completely stupid to ask him to bowl spin when we have a better spinner on the bench who is also a better batter and a better fielder.
There is the point. Why we need Gill to bat at 5 ? If we have Sarfaraz, Patidar waiting on the bench after scoring plenty in domestic
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