Just an emotional outburst!!

[HockeywithBilli]

. Not the Hindi guy doing dadagiri and imposing themselves and has happened due to the Hindi imperalist policies in the country.

[prasen9]

. Not the Hindi guy doing dadagiri and imposing themselves and has happened due to the Hindi imperalist policies in the country.

I did not say you are the Hindi guy. I said there are Hindi guys who want to impose Hindi on us. And that is a 100% true statement. Just look at the leaders in the BJP, for instance. But, not only them. A lot of leaders in the Hindi belt from the Congress too. Because language is a means for power, for money, for jobs for the Hindi belt if they can impose Hindi on the rest of the country. Their sons and neighbors and friends will get a leg up for central government jobs of which there are many. That is the equation. But, also to exert linguistic dominance over the rest of the country. Look at the Chinese decimating the Tibbetis, the guys in central Asia, etc. I would rather live in a slightly poorer but free country than under an imperialist government that makes the country a bit richer. I do not think homogenizing a country produces better economies anyway at the end of the day.

If you are fine with Telugu or Punjabi being the inter-lingua, then what is the problem with it not being Kannada or English wrt customer service? Why are you complaining they are not supporting you in Hindi? Did they sell the produce on a Hindi-language website and then balied? Did they promise customer service in Hindi and then bail? If they did so, then it is wrong. Otherwise, Kannada is just fine as a support language. Whatever language you choose, somebody is going to be inconvenienced (whose language it is not) and someone else is going to be benefitted (whose language it is). I see nothing wrong with Kannada being the inter-lingua. It is upto the company what language it wants to support and if it is smart, it will do so in languages that makes their sales go higher. It is a cost-benefit analysis.

[HockeywithBilli]

If you are fine with Telugu or Punjabi being the inter-lingua, then what is the problem with it not being Kannada or English wrt customer service?

I have no problem with Kannada or Marathi. As I have told you I was aware that I am going to learn marathi to communicate with Patients in Mumbai (as most of teaching is in english but patient communication can't be in english for obvious reason), but Other guys who I certainly tell know hindi deliberaetly harasses hindi guys!!
Similarly, I know the customer service guy knows hindi but he deliberately chose to not speak Hindi!!!!

[HockeywithBilli]

It is also a common sense that a person who has never been in Karnataka and has no plan to go there, will of course not know kannada...But it was his hostility towards hindi guys that I dislike

If I were residing in Karnataka, then He could call me to speak in Kanadda but I have never been there, then How can speak language? It was just his way to hostility to hindi guys

[prasen9]

The hostility to Hindi is a reaction to hostility by the Hindi imperialists. He is selling things from Karnataka. He is in his rights to speak English and Kannada. Hindi speaking people feel some entitlement that others should learn and speak in Hindi with them. That is what has caused the hostility. If you want to buy something from Karnataka, then expecting them to speak in Hindi to you is what they do not like. You are not some superior being that they have to cater to your likes (conversation in Hindi) vs their likes (conversation in Kannada or English). It depends at the end on who needs whom (in the absence of force - armed and government diktats). If they need your business that much and you will only buy if they speak Hindi, then they will learn to speak Hindi. If they don't need your business that much and they can get by with Kannada and English, then they will have the upper hand and speak in Kannada and English. Maybe they do not want to provide you customer service or want to discourage you from getting customer service. Certain businesses in the U.S. make it extremely hard to get and deal with customer service in order to dissuade people from trying to do so.

My point is that they are perfectly fine speaking in Kannada and English. They chose not to deal with Hindi. Hindi-speaking people expecting them to do so shows their entitlement, which, imho is unfortunate, but that is reality.

[HockeywithBilli]

The hostility to Hindi is a reaction to hostility by the Hindi imperialists. He is selling things from Karnataka. He is in his rights to speak English and Kannada. Hindi speaking people feel some entitlement that others should learn and speak in Hindi with them. That is what has caused the hostility. If you want to buy something from Karnataka, then expecting them to speak in Hindi to you is what they do not like. You are not some superior being that they have to cater to your likes (conversation in Hindi) vs their likes (conversation in Kannada or English). It depends at the end on who needs whom (in the absence of force - armed and government diktats). If they need your business that much and you will only buy if they speak Hindi, then they will learn to speak Hindi. If they don't need your business that much and they can get by with Kannada and English, then they will have the upper hand and speak in Kannada and English. Maybe they do not want to provide you customer service or want to discourage you from getting customer service. Certain businesses in the U.S. make it extremely hard to get and deal with customer service in order to dissuade people from trying to do so.

My point is that they are perfectly fine speaking in Kannada and English. They chose not to deal with Hindi. Hindi-speaking people expecting them to do so shows their entitlement, which, imho is unfortunate, but that is reality.

It's sad that expecting a common language for interaction will label you as Imperialist!!!

[HockeywithBilli]

By the way, just because headoffice of company is in bangalore doesn't mean it is owned by a kannadiga...The owner is from Outside karnataka ( and i am not sure if knows kannada or not) !!!

[prasen9]

The hostility to Hindi is a reaction to hostility by the Hindi imperialists. He is selling things from Karnataka. He is in his rights to speak English and Kannada. Hindi speaking people feel some entitlement that others should learn and speak in Hindi with them. That is what has caused the hostility. If you want to buy something from Karnataka, then expecting them to speak in Hindi to you is what they do not like. You are not some superior being that they have to cater to your likes (conversation in Hindi) vs their likes (conversation in Kannada or English). It depends at the end on who needs whom (in the absence of force - armed and government diktats). If they need your business that much and you will only buy if they speak Hindi, then they will learn to speak Hindi. If they don't need your business that much and they can get by with Kannada and English, then they will have the upper hand and speak in Kannada and English. Maybe they do not want to provide you customer service or want to discourage you from getting customer service. Certain businesses in the U.S. make it extremely hard to get and deal with customer service in order to dissuade people from trying to do so.

My point is that they are perfectly fine speaking in Kannada and English. They chose not to deal with Hindi. Hindi-speaking people expecting them to do so shows their entitlement, which, imho is unfortunate, but that is reality.

It's sad that expecting a common language for interaction will label you as Imperialist!!!

No, not expecting but using force (armed or government) to do so.

Expecting a common language is a matter of force. Especially, if it is a language of your choice. People want to be free to interact with a language of their choice. If you want them to do so in one common language, then you are expecting them to give up their freedom to do so. That is not nice, nor right, especially when attempted to implement by force.

[prasen9]

By the way, just because headoffice of company is in bangalore doesn't mean it is owned by a kannadiga...The owner is from Outside karnataka ( and i am not sure if knows kannada or not) !!!

Does not matter. The company wants to talk in Kannada and English. Or the person at the other end of the call wants to do so. You want to talk in a language of your choice. That is the source of differences of opinion. I would not like any side to impose its will on the other. So, I support the choice of the call center person to talk in Kannada or English. I also support your choice to buy from them or not. I do not like telling them that they should speak in a language of your choice to make you happy at their cost. I support everyone's freedom to do as they please to the extent possible.

Expecting a common language is as wrong as expecting everyone to eat the same food, wear the same clothes, like the same books to read, etc. There is absolutely no need to impose a common language on anyone and expecting that somehow people will start speaking some language which is the same will not happen. It has not happened in the history of humanity except via the use of force. I deplore such imposition.

[HockeywithBilli]

Seems like you don't get my logic!!
Let's agree to disagree to each other, at this moment, without saying imperialist, dadagiri, or any humiliating word to other person !!!

Hope you understand and stops this conversation now !!!

[prasen9]

I did not call you any of that.

I am just tired of the Hindi imperialists and people who want to impose a common language among all and discriminate on the basis of language. I am also tired of (some people from) the Hindi Belt being somehow feeling entitled that the rest of the country owes it to them to learn their language and speak to them in their language. That is who I am against. If you do not want to achieve a common language in India by force or by government diktat and do not support the central government's favoritism to the Hindi belt then this is not against you. If you do, then this is also against you. I do not know your exact stance and thus I did not call you any of these.

I will always call out the opressors, the imperialists and those who want to impose a common language in India by force and regulation. Nobody will ever stop me from speaking out against that. I am glad that the imperialists are humiliated by me calling them that. That is the only way to counter the humiliation that my mother faced in a bank in her own land and the humiliation I face when I cross customs in the Kolkata airport, etc.

Yes, it is time to stop the disrespect. I am the one calling everyone to stop asking other people to speak their language and accept that we are a multi-lingual state and we do not owe it to anyone to speak in any particular language. Our decision to do that should not be criticized in any manner. I hope you stop expecting others will speak your language and you not theirs. It is that simple. I am not the one who wants to force a common language or expects everyone to speak in one language. I am all for diversity and multi-culturalism. I am not the one disrespecting or trying to force people and take their freed om away.

[HockeywithBilli]

Okay