U.S. Politics

[ericcw]

Srini: There can only be one world leader in the world. It is rightfully US and all the systems from monetary to military are led by USA and Developed countries. We need to be supporting.

Fascists like Modi, Trump, Putin are a disgrace. Russia, China cannot be treated with the same lenses as USA. They cannot intimidate neighbour and should be punished even if it triggers nuclear war. Biden has done the right thing even it's an escalation.

Can't be sitting idle when Ukraine is losing territory.

[Atithee]

@ericcw (Eric?), do you mind telling where do you reside? Specifically India or US or somewhere else?

[srini]

@ericcw (Eric?), do you mind telling where do you reside? Specifically India or US or somewhere else?

Please forgive me for intervening in your interviewing of Ericcw, but in my humble opinion a more pertinent question to ask would be "what times he/she belongs to?" because it seems he/she seems to be some one who belongs to Cold war era and might have travelled in a timemachine (funded from Nixon's Watergate scandal) and arrived to present but got stuck in a time warp. So i know he/she arouses curiosity with assertions like "USA being greatest democracy", "the purported need to save Indian democracy/constitution", "Indian rulers being Fascist" etc etc and even made you question if the person is from a different planet. But frankly i do think he/she is an earthling just that not from our times, so instead of putting the person through a stressful interview/grilling which may cause dis-orientation, it would be more appropriate if we can kindly help the person sensitize to the current times with an orientation or something.

Ericcw: You have arrived to 2024, welcome to a world which is more multipolar than the times you pressed start button in your time machine.If you brought a time capsule along with you, please hand it over to humans near your time machine who must be wondering if you're an alien, they can then figure out you're an earthling just like them and can also figure what times you belonged to.A brief primer to help you understand current times..in the past 60 years, China has become a capitalist country where communism is left only in political system.Most of the manufacturing has left USA and China grabbed the oppurtunity and became to be known as "World's factory". Companies like General Motors got bankrupt and the ones like Ford are about to! Cities like Detroit experienced heavy job losses due to this shift. Countries like India started their own space programs and are now capable to land rovers on Moon while Russia (remnant of former USSR of your days, is no more capable to land on moon anymore which it used do at a regular frequency of 6 months or so in your times). China has made huge investments in terms of infrastructure and not only seems to rival USA but actually suspersedes it now by miles. India has made huge strides in digital infrastructure and though a late starter seems to be giving US a run for its money, its innovation in UPI payments has secured about 50% share in payments landscape within country and has reduced reliance on other payment systems which used to rule the roost earlier.Back in 2010 they were still using archaic cheque payments even for low end transactions in USA, i heard they are still langhuising at 6th place in adapting to digital payments far behind India at 1st and China at 2nd positions.

Once you consider all these things and get oriented with present times, you can explain why you think "Indian constitution needs to be saved and why you think NDA government is fascist in nature with data, rather than just proclaiming them as "Gospel Truth" because there will always be people who question the omission of lost years of Jesus (13 to 30, that includes the critical teenage), so please support your assertions with data before stating them and once you do that forum members will be happy and more receptive i believe.

[ericcw]

Thank you, had a safe landing in India. Appreciate your guidance.

See I am only stating what the society norms and expectations are:

1. Wars are accepted if started by the Western powers but not otherwise
2. World bodies toe the line of USA. As this is a Tennis forum, take Tennis example: Russian country participation was banned by tennis bodies for Ukraine. Did they ever ban Azerbaijan/Armenia, Pakistan or other nations from countless wars. Heck even USA infiltrated into Iraq and destroyed the ecosystem of that region. Were American nationals or country ever banned in sports?
3. Countless regime changes have been initiated by USA. Jay and others talk as if am talking something evil when I hope for USA intervention similar to Bangladesh but you all live in America, don't you all accept it as part of the norm and don't make an issue from the above abnormalities?

The world cares about only evidence. USA is the global leader is most of the information gateways. So no chance in hell poor countries like India and others can offer counter evidence.

I take the practical approach of USA as the sole leader based on everything (above I only gave couple of examples) and inform my next steps based on that.

I believe in practical approach not of utopian land.

[srini]

See I am only stating what the society norms and expectations are:

1. Wars are accepted if started by the Western powers but not otherwise

You seem to carry the thought process that rest of the world was dumb, is dumb and should continue to remain dumb.You are right about the past, but after repeated bluffs like WMD rest of the world has started questioning American narrative, forget about rest of world...i saw anti war protests by its own students (not foreigners) in American universities when i was studying Masters in a US university at that time. Who is accepting wars, if we in a sports forum are voicing concerns about American wars over its own triggered circumstances, you can be sure there is lot of push back of American narrative in other quarters.

2. World bodies toe the line of USA. As this is a Tennis forum, take Tennis example: Russian country participation was banned by tennis bodies for Ukraine. Did they ever ban Azerbaijan/Armenia, Pakistan or other nations from countless wars. Heck even USA infiltrated into Iraq and destroyed the ecosystem of that region. Were American nationals or country ever banned in sports?

Yes,so you also agree to the unfair and biased treatment of Russian atheletes which we also discussed in the thread below.
https://www.sports-india.com/phpBB/view ... p?t=220103
So what's the point ? Do you begin to question the unfair treatment or say since Russian atheletes were treated unfairly in the past, it should continue as it's now your woke society's norm to treat them that way?

3. Countless regime changes have been initiated by USA. Jay and others talk as if am talking something evil when I hope for USA intervention similar to Bangladesh but you all live in America, don't you all accept it as part of the norm and don't make an issue from the above abnormalities?

Again, what's the point? Countless regime changes by USA make it a right in your weird society norm definition and everyone should fall in line or what?? See, when main stream media was controlled by western hegemony, it had hidden several things and selectively revealed or leaked things, so world used to believe the western narrative but when countless hobby journalists started beautifully analyzing geo politics, people are having fun when Emperor Uncle Sam is walking in the glory of birthday suit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbEoZXhCrM
We saw Biden on Feb 9, 2022 saying he will blow up Nord stream from Russia to Germany and he exactly did that in September 26, 2022 to make European union dependent on US supply and fall in line with what ever US asks it do. That was a terrorist act for God's sake. We question what we see, you don't want us to? Thank God Congress government was not in place here in India and Jayashankar clearly told US that India will buy its oil where it gets for best price, otherwise senile Biden would have been dictating and Pappu would be taking the direct orders on US sanctions for Russian oil from his US masters and we would have been in soup like our neighbors Srilanka and Pak.

The world cares about only evidence. USA is the global leader is most of the information gateways. So no chance in hell poor countries like India and others can offer counter evidence.

I take the practical approach of USA as the sole leader based on everything (above I only gave couple of examples) and inform my next steps based on that.

I believe in practical approach not of utopian land.

To sum it up, no self respecting Indian citizen would ever wish to let any foreign power interfere with regime changes and most of the forum members here whether Indian or of Indian origin joined this sports forum out of pure love for their country of origin where ever their current allegiance may be with and since you do not seem to be one based on your utterances and ramblings so far, you can be sure there will be no mincing of words!

[jayakris]

3. Countless regime changes have been initiated by USA. Jay and others talk as if am talking something evil when I hope for USA intervention similar to Bangladesh but you all live in America, don't you all accept it as part of the norm and don't make an issue from the above abnormalities?

I don't know about others, but it is indeed evil for an Indian to want USA to intervene in India. It is anti-national. Period. End of story. (If you are not an Indian citizen, there is nothing anti-national, but you refuse to answer the question on whether you are an Indian citizen, so I don't know!)

I agree with you that Indians living as US citizens in the US have much less ground to stand on, if they say that US should not meddle in India, while they know that it is standard and US has meddled elsewhere and they never complained.

But I am an Indian citizen (living in the US), so for me any Indian citizen hoping for the USA to meddle in India for regime change is anti-national.

[ericcw]

I am an Indian citizen living in India. Do travel often and live in US for sometime before

[srini]

I am an Indian citizen living in India. Do travel often and live in US for sometime before

Thanks for clarifying, but since you still haven't clarified about the period of your time warp, i need to try my hand at putting a number based on your utterances of "need for saving the Indian constitution"...Let me take a guess...was it 1975-1977 ? because that was the only time Indian constitution was truely in danger as Indira declared emergency for no valid reason like war or famine and amended the preamble to change the description of India by adding the word "secular".

Even a naive person can understand just adding a word doesn't make India truly secular...but truly dissociating the state from religion would. But Indian state illegitimately and against the amended preamble of constitution involves in the administration of Hindu temples, appointing government officers to manage temple affairs and misappropriates the temple funds like hundi income. It also does minority appeasement by making laws like Waqf that put people's personal property at peril and leaves at the mercy of waqf boards in essence this is nothing but pseudo secular. I am hoping current government is putting due diligence to rectify the above 2 prominent wrongs made by earlier congress governments and the effect would be obvious..it would make India truly secular. I am known as the biggest Modi basher on this forum...i truly despise his grandiose way of doing things especially things like naming Motera stadium as "Narendra Modi Stadium". In India i know stadiums and airports being named after some leaders...but that is done after the person has left the material world. Naming it after him while alive takes his mania to a new level and i called him megalomaniac at one point on this same forum. But i won't take away credit where it is due for the good things he did, protecting India's interests and as a natural extension the interests of its voters.

BTW, i don't think Indian constitution is that great as deserving to be preserved without any amendments what so ever. It needs to be improved on every opportunity any government gets. Lifting and shifting from one country's constitution to another doesn't make it great...but wording it with conviction and conscience would definitely make it great...after all US constitution did have some of those attributes which is part of the reason that could make the country great at one time. (Not now...by Trump's own admission he wants to make it "Great Again!" which implies it's not great now) and majority of its voters seem to agree by voting for him.

[ericcw]

[ericcw]

[Atithee]

Enough. Just stop it. Let’s stick to sports India.

[ericcw]

Ok thank you

[jayakris]

Why stop? We can continue the thread.... But maybe not much more on the "regime change" topic, because I think everybody agrees that the US has been doing that for a long time to various degrees of objectionability.

[ericcw]

Sorry for another one related to US driven regime change but this one is a bit sad as even for non believer of that religion, the ISKCON had a special place for its charity work

[srini]

^^
Thanks for bringing it up Ericcw. This Iskcon monk was detained and his lawyer (albeit being a muslim) was hacked to death under Yunus government. But no one calls Yunus a dictator. Its generally believed Hinduism is the most persecuted religion next only to Jews. But that's a belief from pre Israel formation era..now a days who ever persecutes Jews at least gets avenged by the state of Israel but doesn't happen so for Hindus or some of its cults like ISKCON when they are in minority in any country. No western government or not even the Fascist proclaimed Indian government comes to their rescue.

Historically US engineered regime changes were never sustainable and have been always counter productive.

CIA admitted to Mohammad Mosaddegh regime change in Iran in 1953 which resulted in US installing the "last Shah of Iran" who was a US stooge and it all ended with Islamic revolution which overthrew Shah and a government whose only policy was anti US and anti West.It would not have happened, if US didn't meddle with regime change of Mosaddegh.He was democratically elected and was a beloved/popular figure in Iran.

We all know how good US engineered regime change worked in Afghanistan. Even before US forces fully left Afghan Taliban was back in power.

There is no evidence that Bangladesh people love Yunus government, otherwise why does his government try to ban Hasina's party from next elections and its student wing?