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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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She won a silver - tied for 1st but lost the shoot off.

21st quota achieved.

This also means if Manu or Esha are sent for both pistol events and we repurpose the quota spot, we could have 2 mixed skeet teams.
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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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Sin Hombre wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:08 pm This also means if Manu or Esha are sent for both pistol events and we repurpose the quota spot, we could have 2 mixed skeet teams.
I also thought of the same ( exchange womens pistol for mens skeet) but found that quota exchange is allowed only within same gender. So, we cannot have second shooter and second mixed team in skeet. We can exchange that womens pistol quota for gaining second quota in womens trap, the only womens quota remaining for us.
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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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sameerph wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:10 pm
Sin Hombre wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:08 pm This also means if Manu or Esha are sent for both pistol events and we repurpose the quota spot, we could have 2 mixed skeet teams.
I also thought of the same ( exchange womens pistol for mens skeet) but found that quota exchange is allowed only within same gender. So, we cannot have second shooter and second mixed team in skeet. We can exchange that womens pistol quota for gaining second quota in womens trap, the only womens quota remaining for us.
Ah then we shouldn't. We would be throwing away a quota spot.
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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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Or just exchange that extra for womens trap for whatever it is worth. Than, we will have 27 participants out of maximum possible limit of 30 ( only missing is 1 in mens trap and skeet and second mixed skeet team).

Btw, 2 of the 4 trials are done for rifle/ pistol in New Delhi.

It is too early to say who will get selected among top 2 in each category as a shooter can choose his/her best 3 results and discard the poorest result.
But, some shocking results in rifle in particular- top shooter in mens 10M Air rifle is Samdeep Singh who has never been part of international competitions and Rudranksh Patil who was world champion in 2022 is at bottom. In womens Air rifle too, Mehuli Ghosh who won a medal at 2023 world championships is at bottom.

More expected results so far in pistol, in womens 10M - Rythem and Esha are top 2 and in 25M- Manu and Esha are top 2.
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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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Third and forth trial to select the team for olympics has started in Bhopal.

Third trial for 25 events got completed today. In womens 25M pistol, Manu Bhaker is at the top and almost confirmed to be one of the 2 shooters , competition for second spot is between Esha Singh and Sirmanpreet, currently Sirmanpreet ahead but it close, hope Esha does well in fourth trial and gets the second spot as she is very good in finals.

In mens 25M pistol, Anish is well ahead of everyone else, competition for second spot between Vijayveer and Bhavesh Shekhavat.
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Manu Bhakar and Esha Singh finish top 2 in womens 25M pistol and will be going to Paris in this category. Manu with an average score of around 586 which will be good enough for finals in any world class competition and Esha with an average of 584 which can sneak in the final. They also had some great final scores in couple of trials. So, some medal hopes in this event.

In mens 25 pistol, Anish Bhanwala and Vijayveer Sidhu won the Paris Olympic spots. Anish with an average score of around 584, will need to improve by 1-2 points to make it to the final in a world class field.
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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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It is quite close in trials for other rifle and pistol events after the third trial.

In womens 10M pistol, looks like Rhythm and Manu will make it mostly and Esha is third behind them. In mens 10M air pistol, it is between quota winners- Sarabjit, Varun Tomar and Arjun Cheema.

There is a big surprise in mens 10M air rifle with Sandeep Singh who has never appeared in any international competitions leading and looks likely to be among top 2. For second spot, competition between Arjun Babuta and Rudranksh Patil. Another surprise in womens 10M air rifle is last year's world championship medalist Mehuli Ghosh is totally out of it. It is very close between Tilottama who is at the top and Elavenil and Nancy.

In mens 50M rifle 3 positions, Aishwarya Tomar and Swapnil Kusale, our top 2 in Asian games seem to be ahead. Again in womens 50M rifle 3 positions, there could be a big upset as Asian games gold medalist Sift Kaur Samra is currently in third position behind veteran Anjum Modugil and Asian games bronze medalist Ashi Chocksey.

In next 3 days, final team composition will be clear.
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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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Sift not qualifying will be a disaster for our shooting medal prospects.

How is she not leading this? She finished 1st, 1st and 2nd in the 3 trials and is our best finals shooter across all events.

Seems like they are only using the qualification scores? I think Sift will still qualify as long as she has a good day tomorrow since they are taking best 3 of 4.

Not including finals is bad for our medal prospects. This also explains why Manu and not Esha is the one qualifying in both 10m and 25m. Manu is without a doubt the better qualification shooter and especially in 25m, but she is not winning a medal. Esha on a good day will qualify to the finals and is mentally strong to win a medal.
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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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They are taking into account final scores but very little weightage- 0.6 for winner, 0.4 for second place and 0.2 for third place which is nothing compared to qualifying scores which are close to 600.

Sift had 583.6, 587.6 and 589.4 in 3 trials - excluding lowest score average is 588.5
Anjum has 581.2, 589.2 and 592.6- average of best 2 is 590.9
Ashi has 590.4, 585.4 and 585.2- average of best 2 is 587.9.

So, I think if we exclude lowest score, Sift is second just ahead of Ashi, I don't why some others on twitter are saying Ashi is slightly ahead, maybe I am wrong in some calculation.

But, it is very close, Sift has to have 588+ score today to make it sure, she did not have 590+ while other 2 had.
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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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Seems like Simra did qualify even before the finals of this 4th trial after she shot 593 in qualification.

Men:
Aishwary Pratap Singh Tomar
Swapnil Suresh Kusale

Women:
Anjum Moudgil
Sift Kaur Samra
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Yes, she did it with an excellent 593 when it mattered today and topped the overall trials and Anjum had a 588, Ashi had a poor 577. So, it is going to be Sift and Anjum in womens 50M rifle 3 positions in Paris.

In mens 50 rifle 3 positions. Aishwary had third consecutive score of 590+ after a bad start of 576 in first trial. Swapnil Kusale had a bad 573 today but he still overall made it to the top 2.

So, our team for Paris so far-

50M rifle 3 positions-
Men- APS Tomar, Swapnil Kusale
Women- Sift Kaur Samra, Anjum Modugil

25M Pistol-
Men - Anish Bhanwala, Vijayveer Siddhu
Women- Manu Bhaker, Esha Singh


I think so far this is the best team in terms of overall performances in last 1 year- I would put Tomar and Sift as serious contenders for medals and outside chances for Manu/Esha in 25M pistol ( at least there qualifying scores are good enough to make finals).

I guess that is how we have put in our olympics medal projections.
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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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sameerph wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 12:17 pm Yes, she did it with an excellent 593 when it mattered today
So we are finally sending some people who shoot well when it matters, right?... Have we learned to sift through garbage and find what sticks when the dust settles?

I had to sift through multiple posts to know that Samra, Simra and Sift were all the same shooter :) ...
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Yes, I think so. These trials have been good in the sense that due to stiff internal competition, the shooters are facing stiff pressure here just to get selected for olympics. That should really good when they compete at Paris.
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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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sameerph wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 2:43 pm Yes, I think so. These trials have been good in the sense that due to stiff internal competition, the shooters are facing stiff pressure here just to get selected for olympics. That should really good when they compete at Paris.
From a qualification perspective.

That in itself doesn't get us medals as Manu has shown us and she will be in 3 events again in Paris.

These are somewhat made up probabilities but in 10m, Manu probably has a 20% chance of making the finals vs Esha's 15%. In the finals, I would give Esha a 50% chance of medaling (she is very good on a good day) vs Manu with a 10% chance of medaling in the finals. Our selection process would select Manu over Esha even though the former only has a 2% chance of medaling vs the latter's 7.5%.

Btw, not bashing Manu here. She should be in the squad for 25m. She is one of the best in the world in qualification at that event.
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Re: Indian Shooting thread

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Yes, I agree in general Esha has been better in finals than Manu but here in 3 trials Manu has done quite well.

In 10M Air pistol, Manu has won 1 trial and was second in another, Esha has won 1 trial and has been second in another, Rhythm has won 1 trial, second in another and third in another, so all have been even in fact Rhythm slightly better.

In 25M pistol, Manu has been really good, topped 2 trials which we quite good by world standards and runner up in other 2, Esha won 1 trial and was third in another but missed out on top 3 in other 2 trials.

So, looks like Manu is slowly overcoming her final jitters and if she can do that at Paris can be real medal contender in 25M pistol. In 10M Air pistol scores in qualification have not been that good and not sure if they can make the final.
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