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Re: Indian Boxing Thread

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Although it is not a fair procedure by itself, if there is a window, why not have Deepak and Amit fight out a nationally televised Olympic Trial bout? Maybe you can make some money and get publicity out of that and maybe choose the best in-form boxer? Amit has been asking for one.

Here is an article that gives some information about the selection policy. It seems the coaches have some points system but they don't explain the breakdown of points, etc. I suppose letting the coaches select is fine but unfortunately, they perhaps do not have that much data about what these folks will do under extreme pressure and in the limelight. So, somebody may practice well but may not have it in a real match.

I agree that one trial is not good. Why not have internal tournaments or a set of trials say four of them three months apart and then use that data with some more weight to the latter ones?
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What are you are saying is done for shooting. They have 4 trials towards end of April where top 4-6 shooters will participate and top 2 will be selected for Paris based on those trials.

Problem is in boxing and wrestling, physical preparation needed perhaps goes on for a month or 2 at least and most of them do need to cut weights drastically before competitions. So, maybe 4 trials in 3 months as you suggested may also not be possible in these sports.

So, either it will have to be a single or at most 2 trials ( as is done for wrestling) or evaluation by coaches ( as is done for boxing). Hard to say which one is better.
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How about doing it once every three months over a year?
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^^^ But, then recent form factor goes away, But, anyway not bad. Too late for that for this olympics though.
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Since Amit won gold in Strandja tournament and was our only boxer to do so, I would be inclined to select Amit as he seems to be in good form. Also there might have been bias in why Deepak was earlier selected in place of Amit since that process is not objective/data driven and Amit may have fallen foul of the coaches who were making the decision.
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The problem is that the same coaches are making the decision. I am leaning towards Amit who may be a tad more likely to rise up the the occassion on a big stage? Conjecture though. Let's see how much Amit has irritated the coaches. Or is it just a minor difference of opinion.

Sameer, yes, you have to weight things. Say, we run 4 trial tournaments three months apart. We give the last tournament 40% weight, the second last 30% and the first two 15% each. Or something like that. And, create a point system for semis, finals, etc. That would reward form highly but not be a one tournament and you win everything there.
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We have lost 1 olympic quota in womens boxing with Parveen Hoods getting suspended due missing the whereabout clause but will get a chance to reclaim the spot at the final olympic qualifier-

Paris Olympics: After boxer Parveen Hooda’s suspension, India to compete again for quota in 57kg, says BFI
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Jaismine Lamboria will go down from 60 to 57kg to fight for the quota spot from Parveen Hooda's suspension. She is a good boxer and likely would have had chances at 60kg, hopefully she is also competitive at 57kg.
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Second and final boxing qualifiers start in Bangkok on Friday.

Indian Boxing Squad:
Women: Jaismine Lamboria (57kg), Ankushita Boro (60kg), Arundhati Choudhary (66kg).
Men: Amit Panghal (51kg), Sachin Siwach Jr. (57kg), Abhinash Jamwal (63.5kg), Nishant Dev (71kg), Abhimanyu Loura (80kg), Sanjeet (92kg), Narender Berwal (+92kg).

Hoping we win the quota back at 57kg women and 60kg women. 4 quota spots and 3 quota spots available. I would expect Amit and Nishant to win quota spots amongst the men.

WORLD BOXING QUALIFICATION TOURNAMENT 2024 DRAW
Men

51kg: Amit Panghal (bye)
57kg: Sachin Siwach vs Mukuka Alex (NZL)
63.5kg: Abhinash Jamwal vs Andriejus Lavrenovas (LTU)
71kg: Nishant Dev vs Amando Bighafa (GBS)
80 kg: Abhimanyu Loura vs Kristiyan Nikolov (BUL)
92 kg: Sanjeet (bye)
+92kg: Narender Berwal (bye)
Women

57kg: Jaismine Lamboria (bye)
60kg: Anushkita Boro vs Namuun Monkhar (MON)
66kg: Arundhati Choudhary (bye)
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Sachin Siwach won his R64 bout
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Abhimanyu Loura also won his first round against a Bulgarian boxer 3-0, tied on other 2 judges scorecard. It is a big 64 draw everywhere though and boxers will have to win 4 bouts to move to the SF and win a quota.

Was looking at couple of previews on twitter and another forum and these looks to be our chances-

Men- In 51 kg, Amit is favorite for the quota, his toughest bout likely to be in the rounf 16 where he is likely to be run into Britain's Kiaran Macdonald whom he easily beat in the CWG final a couple of years back.
Other Indian boxer who is favoured for quota is Nishant Dev in 71 kgs. He has a couple of tricky bouts likely but if he plays to the form he played in last qualifier, he should make it thru.

Few others among men have a chance- Sachin Siwach replaced world bronze medallist Mohammed Hussamuddin. They are saying not the right decision. Sachin has a chance but only 3 quotas in this category. So, it will be tough.

Other than that Sanjit and Narinder in heavier weights have some chance.

Among 3 women, Arundhati in womens 66 seems to have best chance although Jaismine and Anukshita also have a chance.

Hope we get 3 quotas from here ( 2 men and 1 women) . Anything would be a bonus.
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Both Abhinash Jamwal and Nishant Dev won their first round bouts easily 5-0. So, 4 out 4 for us so far here.

In the meantime, possibly Amit Panghal's biggest obstacle at the World Olympic qualifier Kiaran Macdonald (GBR) exits early as he lost 2-3 in a split decision against a Korean.
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Anushkita Boro won her first round 4-1 against a Mongolian boxer in womens 60 kgs.

But, we also suffered our first loss today with Abhimanyu Loura losing against an Irish boxer, a loss which was expected.
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Nishant, Sachin moved into last 16, Abhinash lost a tied bout. Down to 8
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