England in India 2024-25 : The Pataudi Trophy

[prasen9]

Well, the yardstick is Bardman. Anyway, 80 runs is 80 runs and he demoralized them. Good. Then, 80s by Rahul and Jadeja. Maybe Rahul is just not an opener and has better value in the MO. Gill was Gill though. Sad.

[Kumar]

KL always bats well the first test match. Rest him for the second match … or once Kohli is back.

Is the pitch that easy or english bowlers not that good.150+ runs will be difficult to chase in 4th innings. We need at least another 100 runs

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/how- ... ad-1417938

Article on Patidar. He has grabbed the very limited opportunities he has gotten so far. 3 hundreds in 5 A matches and IPL performance elevated him rightly. Appears to be one of the best players of spin. Seriously he should be playing in place of Gill.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Jadeja should bat ahead of Iyer in test

[Atithee]

^^Absolutely not! Jadeja is exactly where he needs to be. Maybe Axar should bat ahead if anything. They are both fine and so is Ashwin. No need to tinker with these positions.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Shreyas is not taking responsibility, in case of pressure situation it can hurt the team. Gill deserve extended opportunity as his position has been changed.

[prasen9]

Gill has gotten many opportunities. Even at #3 he got 8 dismissals at 23, which is worse than what he did as an opener. Yes, one should give him a few more chances but given his poor shot selection and technical deficits at opener, I don't think he can succeed at #3 without solving those first. Needs to go back to domestics and A-team to improve his shot selection, etc. Right now, he should only be in white ball teams.

Iyer is taking more responsibility than Gill or Rahul or Jadeja (considering his batting only, over his career) etc. if you take their entire career record into account. Iyer has only played a few tests. He has shown promise. Let him play. Then, if he performs worse than the others, then drop him. Jadeja, of course, has played very well in tests in the last 3-4 years.

All this responsibility, batting out balls, etc. is really secondary. Just score runs. That is what we need from the batters. Maybe in the cases of Akash Chopra and Pujara, there was some additional requirement: bat out balls to make it older. Other than that, it is pretty much the same. Score runs. If you do, you stay. If not, you should be out.

[prasen9]

My order would be:

Yashasvi, Rohit, Rahul, Iyer, Jadeja, Axar, Ashwin, Gill, Bharat, Bumrah, Siraj.

Never going to be implemented though.

If they say that the best batsman should come at #4, then I suppose we send Jadeja at #4. In the last four years, he has been phenomenal with the bat in tests.

Atithee, I understand that you don't want change when things are working, but I think with this England team, any combination will be fine. Next test, if they bring Anderson in, and drop two of their spinners and bring in another batter, then it will be interesting and we may need to optimize.

[Atithee]

How sad and infuriating. As soon as the eighth wicket fell we lost the remaining two without even a single more run. Just look at how Cummins batted against WI in the ongoing test. We may very well win this match but this problem needs to be addressed. Otherwise, we will not be the winning team in WTC or against more fancied opponents. I’m truly shocked at how this callousness is tolerated.

[prasen9]

KS Bharat is an idiot. Bumrah had Ben Duckett out. But, KS convinced Rohit not to go for the DRS. If it is close, you use it because if it is umpire's call, you get the review back.

[Kumar]

There is a good chance , we will chase 250 and I can see us losing this game. My biggest fear is turning out to be tru e

BAZBall is an effective strategy here.. England made a mistake playing with 3 spinners when they had Root. They could have over loaded with one more batsman which they will do in next match

India will go with the same 5 bowler line up and give 5th bowler 7 overs

It is not a bad thing for us to lose though. This team is on its last legs and needs to start changing and Dravid needs to go

[ssp]

I think we'll be chasing 250-300 as Pope is going so well. Plus our famed inability to remove the tail enders is going to be very costly. Is the pitch holding up ok?

[Sin Hombre]

What genius led to Bumrah bowling only 16 overs to take 4 wickets. There are no demons in this pitch so 230 should still be chased.

[ssp]

What a shocking performance after being 175 ahead on day 2. Only India can do this. As always our tail contributes almost nothing (last 2-3 batters will get ducks) and the opposition tails routinely gets 80-100 for their last 3 wickets. That's usually the killer.

120/7! Oh, one other thing....every time I've logged on to the cricinfo site, we have lost a wicket. Has happened 4x in this test alone. Whilst England were batting, they would hit 3-4 boundries

[Kumar]

There is nothing shocking about this. This England team just drew against Australia and has been playing inspired cricket. Them to win this test match without Joe root doing well with the bat and pursuing our spinners with ball, wow

There is a chance we will loose this test series 4-1 .

Needs serious introspection. Why no planning? We had a domestic Ramki season and none of the playing 11 except for Bharath and Iyer played in Ranji.

If we had played Patidar and Sarfaraz in place of Gill and Iyer we probably win this match. Patidar and sarfaraz will play spin much better than the bunch out there

For next match, Drop Gill and rest KL or Shreyas. Bring in Patidar and Sarfaraz.

As to bowling Ashwin is a disappointment. If he cannot get wickets on Indian pitches, though it pains me he needs to go. He will probably not make it to 100 test matches.

Axar Patel and Jadeja are very similar bowlers needing pitch to do something. Being in Saurabh of Axar. If Siraj will bowl just 10 overs for the entire match, play someone like Sheth on his place and bolster batting.


But nothing will happen. This team seriously lacks innovation and will not make changes.

[prasen9]

The England team simply out-thought us. They prepared better. Dravid was stupid as a captain. He is stupid as a coach. If we can figure out that taking a passenger like Siraj is handicapping yourself, Dravid should understand that better. They prepared how to counter spin. We did not prepare how to counter counter spin. We can give them a pass. We possibly thought they will not be able to do it.

Ignoring reality never works. Gill has shown he is not a test player. We need to accept that. It is not small sample size now.