Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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We are not winning this WC with Jadeja at 7 or 8.


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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India’s T20I Squad:

Suryakumar Yadav (Captain), Ruturaj Gaikwad (vice-captain), Ishan Kishan, Yashasvi Jaiswal, Tilak Varma, Rinku Singh, Jitesh Sharma (wk), Washington Sundar, Axar Patel, Shivam Dubey, Ravi Bishnoi, Arshdeep Singh, Prasidh Krishna, Avesh Khan, Mukesh Kumar

Note: Shreyas Iyer will join the squad as vice-captain for the last two T20Is in Raipur and Bengaluru.


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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No Gill? I hope we do not do the opposite of the Quota experiment by having an ODI quota in T20Is. Gill needs to play and learn how to play winning knocks consistently in T20Is.

What was the point in playing SkAY? To check out his captaincy skills? Maybe not a bad idea. But, we badly need to give games to Gill, Yashasvi, NTTV, Rinku, Gaikwad.

Kishan has been a comprehensive failure in this format and should not be continued. This is the same obstinacy that perhaps cost us the ODI WC.


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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T20I WC
WTC
50 Over WC

Its urgent to say thanks to Dravid, his coaching staffs & team management. Lots of friendly culture, personal agenda in this selection. They can't stay more with excuse of that one match anymore


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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An injury proned player can't be a captain for 2024 T20WC
Gill should'nt be close to T20I Squad. Rutu Jaiswal excellent combination and should be given more time. Abhisek Sharma, should be the 3rd opener. None should be drafted from Odi team

Shivam Dube should be given more time as he brings multidimmension in the team, if he fails Raj Bawa, or Hang'kr should be tried but the place should'nt be gifted to one dimmension players.

Enough of Axar. Time to reward Ryan Parag, Shai Kishore or a Nishant Sindhu

Bowling looks horrible, Avesh & Mukesh is not fit for T20Is.Thinking need to be done on Harshal, keeping in mind slow sticky tracks of West Indies. Need batting depth


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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Gill has been pretty good in T20Is. Performance should always be rewarded and personal favoritism not. Gaikwad is very talented and very good in domestics. He has failed in international matches. But, I agree due to his talent, we need to give him at least two more series.

Dube is multi-dimension but many of his dimensions are largely useless. We need to have NTTV and Jaiswal bowl regularly to develop them as the sixth bowler.

I do like the idea of giving Rayan Parag a go. I also agree that Rubbish and Mukesh are not that good in T20I bowling. I hope we go with PK and Arshdeep. We need to stop picking four #11s however good bowlers they may be.

Axar has performed reasonably but he needs to keep the runs down a bit more in the middle overs. Washi needs to start taking wickets. Given the team, I would play Axar, Washi, Bishnoi, Arshdeep and PK, plus, Surya, Gaikwad, Yashasvi, NTTV, Rinku, Jitesh.

Harshul is crap. No point going back to him.


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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We don't need the prince who takes time to settle, waste balls just like KL. Rutu, Jaiswal & Abhishek Sharma are excellent as openers.One dimmensionals have proved in last 4 T20I WCs they are rubbish and they can't even do their only job.Team is bearing many useless there is no problem to bear one more, as the only allrounder captain can gurantee when he is fit or not, wheather he can play the full tournament or not. Dube will surely learn and his style of bowling will work in WI. Axar has given enough useless service to the team, let Sai Kishore or Sindhu who are doing well in domestic gets groomed for WC. A pacer who depends on cutter & slower will not work in Aus tracks, Harshal has been good in slow & sticky tracks so he should be in the team


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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Shubman Gill averages 30.4@146.85. He has earned his chances.

Gaikwad, the failure, averages 27.7@127.64.

I will always take the performer Gill, who may be takes time to get set and then hits versus Gaikwad who takes time to get set and then gets out. Performance matters. Crap should not be rewarded. He needs to improve. Or we move on.

One dimensions are better than negative dimensions such as Gaikwad, who does nothing good, at least as of now.

That is nonsense to say that because we are carrying non-performers like Gaikwad, we should reward more non-performers. We need to give people fair chances and if they do not perform chuck them out.

Shivam Dube bowls at 31.67@8.77. If he does not do well with the bat, there is no point in keeping him. He surely will learn in the T20Is if we give him 10 years more but we don't owe him anything. Whoever performs the best should get the slot.

Axar has not bowled very well and I am fine with trying others. Axar gives us 21 runs with the bat @148 and gets wickets at 26.2@7.56. So, his average is a tad low, ideally 25 would be good and his bowling average below 25 would be good. He has played 48 matches. We know he can do this. We should give some youngsters chances and see if they can do better. Sundar has not done that much. I am fine with trying out juniors. And, only if they can do better than Axar should we get him in for the WC.

Harshal has been crap. He needs to be out. No point going back to failures ike Harshal and Avesh. Avesh should be played in the test team or in line when people get injured.


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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Sundar is completely useless. Not sure which photos he possesses.


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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Those stats of Gill are against second string sides. Ruturaj was selected ahead of him, and has been unlucky as team management politics made him warm in the bench and let play Gill ahead of him.Gill is now a big match failure, will waste ball and destroy T20I. Avisekh Sharma brings in quality with both bat & ball has been in superb form. Team needs utility player its baseless to carry a useless star. Rutu needs fair chances before neglecting him, one match playing, next match in the bench isn't the way to treat him, he should get equal backing like Gill. At present management is trying to sacrifice him to promote star big match failure Gill. Axar is another rubbish, surprisingly makes entry in every T20I WC,failed to grab the chances given to him. Enough chances to Axar time to think of Sindhu, Sai Kishore & Parag. Dube is next to Pandya, in the country as an allrounder. All he needs is to improve his bowling this time he is definately in selection radar. Its useless to debate on Harshal, those who understand his success depends on slow & sticky tracks will back his selection else its baseless to call him crap seeing his performance in flat Indian tracks & fast Australian tracks.

Openers : Y Jaiswal, R Gaikward, Avisekh Sharma
No. 3 : Tilak Verma, I Kishan, Sai Sudarshan
No. 4 : SKY
No. 5 : Hardik,
No 6 : Rinku, Jitesh
No 7: Dube, Parag, Sindhu, Sundar
No 8: Kuldeep, Bhisnoi, Sai Kishore
No 9 : Deepak Chahar, R Hangregekar, H Patel, Mohsin
No 10 : Bumrah
No 11: Arshdeep, P Krishna

Same faces are producing same results again & again.
Team needs a transition.


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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I would prefer to select someone who plays well against second rate sides than people who fail against 2nd and 3rd rate sites. Gaikwad has been an embarassment even against the minnows, all throughout his international career.

Performance-based selection means you let people who did well against second rate sides play more games. People like Gaikwad, Ishan, and Samson, who have failed universally until now in T20Is, only give chances to Gaikwad so that he gets a fair run. Ishan and Samson have gotten enough chances in T20Is and need to be dropped. Gill plays until he fails.

Atithee, I am fine not including Sundar. Or for that matter Axar. But, you need to specify who has done better than either as replacements. Rayan Parag - sure.

Sundar and Axar have been a tad lower than average maybe if you take the average of the top 6 nations or so. Abhishek Sharma has batted and bowled very well in the chances he has gotten. I have no problems selecting him and giving him a run of 15 matches. Then, whoever performed better between him and Axar gets into the team.
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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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Ruturaj has been crap and not unlucky. The team management did not tell him to go out and play so poorly. It is time we stopped making excuses for failures to advance our nepotism. That is what resulted in our losing the ODI worldcup because we had Quota play and thus had no insurance when two of our top four batters went cheaply and none of the other three played a very long innings. We need to select people based on performance and not based on our likes and dislikes.

I don't mind giving Ruturaj a few more games but that should be about it. It is preposterous to make such a failure a captain and vice-captain. We should have gone bold and made Yasashvi the captain/vc.

I hope the team management tells Ruturaj to better perform because he has two more series. If he does not, he should be chucked out. We have enough young talent to replace him if given a chance. And, we should not condone failures like SkAY (in ODIs, in T20Is, he is near the best in the world) and ruin yet another upcoming world cup.
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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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Sundar is injured more than he plays. For someone whose workload is very light, he is too much of a risk to be named in a squad. Never been impressed with his bowling. Ditto with Axar although he is a better bowler and batter and less prone to injuries than Sundar. Bring anyone new for replacement, I don’t care. These two don’t belong to a T20 squad for me.


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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There is no risk in playing player who gets injured. All tournaments allow substitutions. If he is the best player, he should play even if we know he will last 2-3 games. It does mean that we need to build our backup bench though.

I would be very happy with Abhishek Sharma and the Assam guy, Parag Rayan or Rayan Parag or something like that.

I hope the selectors are giving a last go to Ruturaj, Kishan, Axar and Sundar if you want and those among these who perform stay.


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Re: Australia tests & ODIs vs India in India, Feb-Mar 2023

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It’s about his dedication and motivation. If he plays, he may play below his 100% to avoid the next injury. No, thank you. Next?