19th Asian Games Hangzhou 2023

[Dinakaran]

I also read and heard that many brainwashed Pakistani were thought that they are descendants of Arabic linage thru Mughal Empire and no connect with Indians, hence they are superior in strength and culture. Sindh civilization is completely blackened from their system, which is proof of their origin.

However I was talking about few exceptions like us, who are genuinely interested in their country sports, mainly Olympic sports and share emotions in forums. Being 5th in population and still struggling to get medals even at Asiad could be the worst feeling. Only Squash and shooting were deserving medals for them and kabbadi is free medal without even playing bronze medal

[ankit1407]

Do they have a sport pak forums or something where crazy people like us follow and discuss sports ?

[Saffron Lenin]

Do they have a sport pak forums or something where crazy people like us follow and discuss sports ?

No....they have a forum called defence.pk where they discuss how superior they are as compared to Indians!!!
They are full of Superiority complex!!!!

[Saffron Lenin]

If chirag-satwik wins tomorrow, then it will be first ever gold in badminton in asian games!!!!

[prasen9]

Well, it is a war! If it is your duty, your conscience will tell you. Note that I said "kill or disable". The latter is what usually happens. But do not have conflicts in your mind, and have clarity of thought on what your duty is. Indians typically have it, and Pakistanis don't. The Indian will first stab and disable because he might not be looking to kill. If the guy dies, it was just the "ma phalEshu kadachan" part of Gita. You have no reason or right to think of that. The Pakistani might wonder "what if I stab this guy, my brother from across the border, on his stomach and he dies; God may punish me?"... That is the difference. I had some long chats with the late Lt. Col. on precisely what you were talking about, and it was enlightening. I realized that the Indian thought is there inherently, even in Indians like the soldiers who had never heard anything about Gita. He told me that even Indian Muslim soldiers were not much different than the Hindus on this matter. The clarity of purpose is sort of there in all of us. It is when we start thinking too much that we may become unclear of the purposes.

In a good military, you need to have a chain of command. The guilt will be with the commander if they have asked you to commit war crimes. But, in a good military you cannot second guess your commander unless they are asking you to do things that are against rules of war and gross human rights violation. And, if you are in combat with someone, then you need to kill them or take them prisoner. You cannot really disable them a bit - they can shoot at you or your partners in combat. Clarity of thought and a good chain of command is what a well trained military tries to inculcate. I guess it is easier to train secular or secularish people instead of more religious people, although Indians are some of the most religious people in the world. I guess the type of religious teachings matter?

[Dinakaran]

Have we started Paris Olympics thread? If not, right time to start with discussion on prospects from Asiad in Olympics

[sameerph]

4 weight classes of mens freestyle wrestling remaining tomorrow.

In 74 kgs, we have Yash who has an easy first round against a Cambodian. QF would be mostly against a Korean who he lost to in Asian championships. So, he will have do something to reverse that result. If he somehow wins that he is likely to get against Iaranian who is very strong and that will be it for him. But, if Yash is able to beat the Korean he will get bronze chance against China or Kyrgyzstan.

In 86 kgs, we have Deepak Punia who same so close to a medal at Tokyo olympics. But, Deepak has not done much since Tokyo. And he has a tough draw having to come thru to Round of 32. and he runs into Russian import representing Baharain who had made the QF of world championships recently. So, that could be it for Deepak. But, if he wins next couple of round would be easier against Indonesian and a Japanese ( who are not so good in heavier weights), Than, mostly against Kazak or Uzbek in SF but first of all he has to win first round.

Very tough first round in 97 kgs for Vicky against a Kazakh.

In 125Kgs, Sumit has an outside chance for bronze if he wins against Kygyz in first round.

Overall, not many bright chances, , hope we can sneak in a bronze somewhere.

[jayakris]

I guess it is easier to train secular or secularish people instead of more religious people, although Indians are some of the most religious people in the world. I guess the type of religious teachings matter?

Yeah, the problem is not in military command and all that. The religiosity and the "fear of God" is the difference. Indian Hindus do not have that concept at all, at an instinctive level, even if they are deeply religious too. Rather the concept of "duty" is what is natural in Indians, and that comes from within instinctively as what you should do, before any scriptural item gets into the conscious mind. They are ruthless that way (as the Chinese also found out recently in hand to hand combat). It is from the old Hindu/Buddhist training over generations in 2000-3000 years. No need to think of what is an any book. Just go with what your mind tells you instinctively. That is your karma in most cases. "Disable your opponent; save yourself and your people" is all the Indian would think. Not true in a Pakistani. Scriptures come to their mind immediately, because at the conscious level they have been trained like that over generations for 700 to 1000 years. Military thoughts would only follow the scriptural thoughts, but the Pakistani is already down on the ground, stabbed by the Indian and unable to execute scriptural or military commands by then!

[Dinakaran]

It was good day today with recurve archery and wrestling snicking in more than expected medals. With 1 more confirmed gold and 5 highly possible golds, we are well ahead of Uzbekistan for 4th place.

Medals to lookout for tomorrow (we have no event on 8th oct, so tomorrow is last day for us)

Archery - 3 confirmed medals. I believe we should get 2 golds, 1 silver and 1 bronze
Cricket - expecting gold as default
Kabbadi - expecting minimum 1 gold
Badminton - likely our last gold for this asiad
Hockey - good chance in bronze playoff
Chess - 2 silver medals

[jayakris]

So, we should definitely get to 25 Golds, quite probably 26, and with some chance to even 27, right?

[depleter]

So, we should definitely get to 25 Golds, quite probably 26, and with some chance to even 27, right?

We have some chance to go for 28.......

[Dinakaran]

So, we should definitely get to 25 Golds, quite probably 26, and with some chance to even 27, right?

We have some chance to go for 28.......

You are considering men's chess as 28th?? Unless 2 Iranian player goof up in a epic way and other 2 won't able to cover, it is not possible. Even 2-2 Iran score for tomorrow will enable gold for us, but they are playing lower ranker korea, so they will ensure one person play for win and rest for draw, which is easier

[arjun2761]

We are basically already at 23 with the guaranteed compound gold. Will be disappointed if we don’t win at least 26 golds.

[depleter]

We also might have an outside chance for medaling in soft tennis. It actually might be a good chance even in mens' singles where Jay Meena(already in quarters will face either Chang Yu Sung of Taipei or another Indian Aniket Chirag Patel in the quarters. So, both of the Indians can have a go at Chang Yu Sung and if any one of them wins then we will get a bronze. In women's the Indian girl is facing a Chinese in quarters and that one win will get a bronze too.

[jayakris]

We also appear to have 3 Indians in the knockout stages of Soft Tennis. On the men’s side, Jay Meena appears to be in the top seeded spot, so perhaps there might be medal chances there as well. Don’t know anything about the sport though…

Based on the team events earlier, it didn't look like our soft tennis people were doing a whole lot. It would be great if Jay Meena wins a medal even if it is not a Gold. If Aniket is good, then Jay will face Aniket in the QF, after a bye. No idea about how good Raga Sri Kolandaivelu, unseeded in the 8-women draw, is.