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I think someone scored 7 sixes in an over!
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Ruturaj Gaikwad, I think. This guy is interesting. He is not a good T20 player or a good FC player. But, he is a phenomenal List-A player. He should be in the A-team for List-A's.
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Gaikward, Devdutt Padikkal scored plenty before their selection in SL Tour 2021 and they are also scoring now with same intensity in domestic, but they look clueless at international level, good runs were expected from them against SL in those tracks
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You cannot expect all players to just jump into internationals and then shine. They need a proper ramp up. We have given that lead up to players such as Gill and Samson. Play these folks in A-team tours regularly but only in the format they are good at. If you take an ODI player, play them in T20 and then say that they are too slow and chuck them out, that is not good planning or justice. Maybe there are no slots available up the order for ODI players. Rahul should be earmarked for the MO. Gill is one top-order ODI player. We can try to rest/chuck out Rohit and/or Kohli and play these folks for 10-15 matches before we can say anything.

If I remember correctly, Yuvraj was averaging around 25 in his first 20 ODIs or so before he became great ... Players need time to learn and mature in the international level. Choosing players, giving them 2-3 matches, and then throwing them out is idiocy. Instead, pool those 2-3 matches x 5 and give it to the player who is the most promising. And, then see what happens.
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prasen9 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:38 pm You cannot expect all players to just jump into internationals and then shine. They need a proper ramp up. We have given that lead up to players such as Gill and Samson. Play these folks in A-team tours regularly but only in the format they are good at
Ruturaj became opener from middle order, already played 70+ List A, its enough experience for a talent to jump and perform in internationals.Padikkal has played less List A games as few of the opners has better performance then him in domestic. On that case, Venkatesh Iyer should also have been given a long go, before throwing him out. None of the captains used him as an allrounder which was seen in case of Dube & Shankar. Samson is nothing but a scapegoat to save Pant & Kishan. Gill is also in Samson's way, you simply can't drop a player who has 70+ odi average in 2022.
prasen9 wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:38 pm If I remember correctly, Yuvraj was averaging around 25 in his first 20 ODIs or so before he became great .
Yuvraj had match wining 84 in Champions Trophy 2000 Knock out against invincible Australian side, in earlier part of his career which was enough for that Indian team management to groom him, as scoring runs against that attack meant full of class.Secondly, Yuvraj didn't had any competitor who can build innings and score big at the end of the innings. Now, you can see plenty of talents with competitors
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Many have found it hard to jump directly from List As to ODIs. So, instead of going that way, we should send them in A-team tours which matter less. Main team slots are precious and as you said we have lots of competitors. So, we should use A-team as a stepping stone.

Yes, perhaps you are pointing out what is the bane of Indian cricket selectors and old-style selectors. They look at one innings and one factor and run with it. So, Yuvraj's one top inning was looked at favorably but many failures after that was ignored. Yuvraj had an average under 23 in two years in about 24 ODIs with only two 50s. He was persisted with. In this case, it was correct because he was supremely talented. However, we have done similar things with others who were total failures because we chose to only look at part of the record, one innings, a few yorkers someone bowled but ignore the other failures they have to the short ball, to the swining ball, or cannot keep their line and length for even six balls in an over.

There were always enough talented people. They were simply not given chances. Yes, maybe now there are more contenders and they are getting chances because we simply play more games. But, I am not so sure we have more international-class batsmen now than then. Dhoni, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Gambhir, Dravid, Sehwag were occupying slots. And the other one was Yuvraj's. Maybe Gambhir was not there in his first two years. Hemant Badani was there knocking on the door but not getting chances. Badani was certainly much slower than Yuvraj. Then, there was Kaif. If you take Dhoni, SRT, SCG, Sehwag and Dravid, you have two spots. Dinesh Mongia, Badani were looking in from the outside and Kaif and Yuvraj were the favored guys. Badani was arguably a better bat than Kaif but Kaif had the halo from his U-19 days. So, Badani got a bad deal.
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Umran, Kuldeep should learn how to bowl yourkers, othrwise its tough for them to sustain in shorter format. Slowers, cutters and knuckle ball are no more an effective weapon. For both of them raw pace is talent, yourkers at that pace will be 10 out of 10 wicket taking delivery for both of them
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We do have some yorker fans here. Yorkers at that pace are getting carted over the fence because their line and length and general control is awful. They and everyone else should learn to bowl. Bowling is an art that requires mind and body.

The T20 WC never dissuaded the pace fetishists. Sam Curran bowls at military pace and was awesome. He is a bowler. Not a hurler like some of the ones we are playing now.
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Well yorkers are still a match winning delivery. Practice and bowler willing to bowl that delivery, makes it perfect. Shami has got accuracy with his pacy yorkers but he hardly bowls it, indian bowlers except Bumrah, Arshdeep, Natarajan, doesnt think's it as a go to delivery in pressure situation as a result their slowers, knuckle bowl becomes predictable. Thakur, Bhuvi, Chahar they bowls around 130-132 kph, more slow they goes, they get thrashed.We saw them in first odi against Bangladesh, how clueless they looked when Mehidy was hitting them for fun.Umesh had very lethal yorkers in begining of his career but he didnt used it and turned to be a run machine as a result he is no more an option in shortest format. Siraj,Saini, Umran, Kuldeep these lot can make themselves lethal if they add yorkers to their armoury as they have pace, it will be difficult for the batters to cut, or play the scoop short. In T20 WC, Sam Curran had Woakes, Wood, Stokes bowling at the other end, keeping the run check and picking wickets, its become easier for a bowler if batting team is under pressure.
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Unadkat, who averages less than 16 runs/wicket in the last 4 years of first-class cricket, finally got a call-up to the test side -- replacing Shami -- for the first time since his debut in South Africa aged a raw 19. Good to see.
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Need to develop some tracks in India like Gabba or Newlands which can give the team ideal practice before SENA Tours. Cricket Centres like Chaudhary Bansi Lal Stadium, Haryana, Waynard,Dharamshala can provide such conditions
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At the end of the 3rd day of the second round of Ranji matches, Mumbai have beaten Hyderabad by an innings (skipper Rahane made 204, and there were centuries for Jaiswal and Sarfaraz too, while off-spinner Kotian starred with the ball). Last week, Mumbai beat Andhra by 9 wickets (Armaan Jaafer making a century and Kotian starring with bat and ball). So Mumbai have got off to a terrific start.

Bengal took a 180-run first innings lead over Himachal (38 year old Anustup Majumdar making 160 in the first innings, Shahbaz 5/32, Ishan Porel 2/26), then declared at 291/5 in the second innings (Gharami 101, Tiwary 50), setting Himachal 472 to win (they are 79/1 at the end of Day3). Last week, Bengal beat UP by 6 wickets, with the former India under-19 opening bowlers Ishan Porel (5/35 and 2/70) and Shivam Mavi (6/55 and 2/65) shining with the ball for the two teams (Porel was adjudged MoM). Himachal beat Haryana by an innings and 88 runs last week (having bowled Haryana out for 46 on the first morning at that swing paradise Lahli).

Tripura are led by Wriddhiman Saha this year, with Sudip Chatterjee also defecting there. Tripura (previously a perennial also-ran of domestic cricket) took the first innings lead against Gujarat last week, and have done the same against Vidarbha (champions in 2017/18 and 2018/19) this week. While Wriddhiman and Sudip have done well with the bat, Tripura-born bowlers have risen to the occasion both weeks.
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This year, the Elite group has been expanded by including the likes of Nagaland and Pondicherry, who are struggling to be competitive. In the third round of Ranji matches, Rajasthan beat Pondicherry by an innings and 101 runs within 2 days, and Bengal beat Nagaland by an innings and 161 runs with a day to spare (and in fact lost just 4 wickets in their only innings, with Easwaran making 170, Gharami 101, Tiwary 51*, Shahbaz 75*).

But there have also been some very exciting, hard-fought matches -- most notably between recent stalwarts Saurashtra (who are missing Pujara and Unadkat) and the always-strong Mumbai. Saurashtra took a 59 run first innings lead despite 95 from Suryakumar and 75 from Sarfaraz. Then the Mumbai bowlers struck back to bowl Mumbai out for 220 (Mulani 6/56 and 10 in the match) but Mumbai will start the final morning on 218/8 (despite Shaw making 68), still needing 62 to win. Mulani is 30* and is the key man still standing.

In the Assam-Hyderabad match, the latter took a 3-run first innings lead (208 vs 205), Assam responded with 252, and Hyderabad are 228/9, still needing 22 to win with just one wicket in hand. Maharashtra conceded a first innings lead of 11 (200 vs 211) to Andhra, then made 250 in the second innings, setting Andhra 240 to win. Andhra are 100/4 in the chase, with skipper Vihari 36* (after making 49 in the first essay).
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PKBasu wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 4:48 pm Then the Mumbai bowlers struck back to bowl Mumbai out for 220 (Mulani 6/56 and 10 in the match)
I’m surprised that Mumbai scored only 220 despite facing their own bowlers.
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I read the above first (i.e., newest post first and going backwards) and was first confused and did not realize that there was a typo. I was thinking there was some practice match and then wondering why we are reporting on those. Then, I understood that there was a typo.
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