$50K(+H) Pune/$100K(+H) Bengaluru Challengers Nov 13-26, 2017

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Re: $50K(+H) Pune/$100K(+H) Bengaluru Challengers Nov 13-26, 2017

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jayakris wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:03 pm
sameerph wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:43 pmIn the live rankings, Sumit is now 265. The cut off for grand slam qualies is usually 255-260 these days. 250 would be safe to assume, I think. So, a title would surely get him there.
Or he could go play a futures somewhere and get a few points to make sure. But he may not want to break his off-season plans (usually not a good idea). Hey, one week in Islamabad will do the job :) ...
Sumit is in the entry list of Qatar F4 futures starting December 4. That is the last week which counts for AO qualies. So, if he loses today he has to try and go and win the title in Qatar futures.

Better still for him would be to win the Asia pacific wild card playoff next week and earn a main draw wild card. :D
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S'mitten. I want to be smitten after the final! Let's go!
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Re: $50K(+H) Pune/$100K(+H) Bengaluru Challengers Nov 13-26, 2017

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arjun2761 wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:27 pmDoubles requires net play and net instincts that are quite different from singles. The focus in good doubles is to dominate the net which is quite different from the skill set needed to do well in singles.
That is all correct. But many (most?) top-100 or op-150 quality players have the skill sets and can have the instincts develop very quickly even in 4 or 5 competitive matches with a partner.
I believe a good doubles player and a singles player with raw doubles skills will do better than two singles players even if they have good raw doubles skills. This is especially true if we have top 40 quality doubles players and the singles players are of the 100-200 level.
I disagree about top-40. Maybe so for a top-5 or top-15 specialist with some exceptional abilities. If you have a doubles specialist of the LP or MB quality, or even Bops at his best (i.e., top-10 quality) who could just take over the game by themselves, it would be different. I don't think Bops or LP now, or the others can do that. Our singles players, if they play 4 or 5 matches together, will be better than them playing with our current doubles specialists that they haven't played with. We have been dropping the doubles match one after another against any decent team. Time to change what we do.
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Re: $50K(+H) Pune/$100K(+H) Bengaluru Challengers Nov 13-26, 2017

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sameerph wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:40 pmSumit is in the entry list of Qatar F4 futures starting December 4. That is the last week which counts for AO qualies. So, if he loses today he has to try and go and win the title in Qatar futures.
That is great. I hadn't checked if he had entered anywhere and was thinking that he would have to play qualies (or get a WC) for the Dec 4 week futures. So he is rather safe to make AO qualies field. Prajnesh is also hopefully rather safe at a 255 live ranking now. Hope Sumit won't push out Prajnesh! ... Anyway, there is a pretty high chance that we will have 4 guys in the AO qualies - YB, RR, SN and PG.
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PKBasu wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:33 pmSharan/Elgin are a break up in the doubles final, serving at 3-2. Yuki/Divij have been a very successful pair in the past, and should play together at the Pune ATP and the AO. That’ll go a long way towards solving the Davis Cup dilemma.
This I can agree with. If the doubles specialist plays with one of our singles guys, then I will certainly consider them. But if Divij is with some doubles specialist partner on the tour next year and has not played for months with any of our three singles players, I would not take him into the team. Same with Bops, LP or Purav. I will still ask guys like Sumeet or Prajnesh to play with Yuki or RR at some events where they are together, just before the DC. There is a lot of flexibility in orchestrating that, as any number of pairings are possible, with all of them in the challenger rankings range. Somehow I don't think MB subscribes to my thoughts on this, though :)
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The bagel man " sumit" doesnt leave the best of our country too....i like his habit of bagelling :p
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Jay - Why can't we just take 3 (singles) & 2 (doubles) combination now since the team size problem is solved. Now with Divij coming up, it might make it easier for Mahesh as he can avoid (rightly or wrongly) the LeePu pair.
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In the meanwhile, in the doubles finals, Divij Sharan and Micheal Elgin comfortably beat the Sabanov twins - 6-3, 6-0

With this victory, Divij has now moved to a career high 47 in the Live rankings.
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Wow, so bagel was a recipe of the day ... Terrific win for Sumit and well-deserving after his performance ... Divij-Elgin proved too strong for Sabanov twins, they won the match in 50 mins.

Doubles Final

(1) Mikhail Elgin (RUS)/ Divij Sharan (IND) bt Ivan Sabanov (CRO)/ Matej Sabanov (CRO) 63 60
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VReddy wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:09 pmJay - Why can't we just take 3 (singles) & 2 (doubles) combination now since the team size problem is solved. Now with Divij coming up, it might make it easier for Mahesh as he can avoid (rightly or wrongly) the LeePu pair.
I thought they were doing the 5-men team only in the lower levels, but just checked and saw that they are going to it from world group on down next year itself. Then we can take 3 singles players and whichever is the best doubles team. Again, I will not give too much weight to doubles specialist teams. On the other hand most teams would bring their best doubles specialist team, so it may be better to send our best doubles specialist team too. Still, I will not count individual doubles rankings too seriously. Whether the team has played together in the immediate period before the DC tie will be a very serious criterion. If it is a pair of singles players and singles-doubles combination that has done reasonably well, I will consider them too.
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Re: $50K(+H) Pune/$100K(+H) Bengaluru Challengers Nov 13-26, 2017

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I don't feel we should put in too much effort and planning for the zonal doubles, and a decent combination should take care of the things as the singles would be fulcrum of the tie.
Captain can take the call at a later stage during WG playoff amongst Dvij,Purav,LP,Rohan but all will depend on their respective form almost a year from now.

In the meantime lets savour Sumit's historic maiden Final of a big challenger and I have no doubt about Sumit victory which will be in straight sets
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I will still ask guys like Sumeet or Prajnesh to play with Yuki or RR at some events where they are together, just before the DC. There is a lot of flexibility in orchestrating that, as any number of pairings are possible, with all of them in the challenger rankings range. Somehow I don't think MB subscribes to my thoughts on this, thoug
I am glad that Mahesh doesn't subscribe to this view. :D There is a common misconception especially among those who haven't played the game, that all singles players can play good doubles. In reality, it requires both a different skill set and a different game strategy/instinct to do well in doubles.

Yes, many good singles players can make good doubles players if they choose to but not all. For example, among our singles players, I think only Yuki and Saketh likely have a good doubles skill set. I don't think Sumit, RamK, or Prajnesh will be particularly successful as doubles specialists.

Do agree with the part about the players playing together as a factor. An essential part of the doubles game strategy is the coordination on their movement on court of the goal of dominating the net which involves coordination in their movements and playing together certainly helps that. Doubles specialists are often much better than the singles players in their instincts in this aspect even when the raw skill set is similar. For example, if you see Hingis play doubles, you see that is a master of doubles positioning which is what makes as great as she is in doubles even when her raw skill set was declining.
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Bham! Nagal reaches for the Summit!

I am so thrilled by the prospect of a new star being born, but I want to temper my excitement so as to not jinx anything! May this Nagal kid go on to replace Nadal!
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Why can't I find any recordings / highlights of any match (Pune or Bangalore challengers) on youtube?

Anyone has a link he can share?

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Am I the only guy who is pissed off about the Yuki-Sumit result? I mean, absolute credit to the young guy & I really hope this is the start of a great run for him. But I wanted Yuki in the AO main draw without qualifiers. I don't share the optimism that his being seeded in the qualies is a good substitute, because even if he breezes through the qualies it means three more matches before the main draw and that many more chances for some sort of niggle to develop.
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