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China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by jaydeep » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:36 pm

Our men's doubles pairs r facing top-4 world ranked pairs ... Winnable matches for our players in the singles.

At $700K TAHOE China Open 2017, Fuzhou (World Superseries Premier)

[Q1] Satwiksairaj Rankireddy (IND)/ Ashwini Ponnappa (IND) vs Lee Jhe-Huei (TPE)/ Wu Ti Jung (TPE)

[R1] Sourabh Verma (IND,57) vs Brice Leverdez (FRA,30)
[R1] Prannoy H.S. (IND,11) vs Qualifier

[R1] Saina Nehwal (IND,11) vs Beiwen Zhang (USA,12)
[R1] (2) Pusarla V. Sindhu (IND,2) vs Sayaka Sato (JPN,13)

[R1] Manu Attri (IND)/ B. Sumeeth Reddy (IND) vs (1) Marcus Fernaldi Gideon (INA)/ Kevin Sanjaya Sukamuljo (INA)
[R1] Satwiksairaj Rankireddy (IND)/ Chirag Shetty (IND) vs (5) Liu Cheng (CHN)/ Zhang Nan (CHN)
[R1] Ashwini Ponnappa (IND)/ N. Sikki Reddy (IND) vs Ha Na Baek (KOR)/ Chae Yoo Jung (KOR)

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by Prashant » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:47 pm

Badminton seeding is weird. #15 vs #16 men and #11 vs #12 women are R1 matchups? How?

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by sameerph » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:17 pm

Quite fair in this case. In a draw of 32 there are 8 seeds and #11,#12, #15 & #16 are not among top 8 seeds . So, what else can you do to avoid these match ups?

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Post by Prashant » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:26 pm

You're right Sameer. I assumed without looking that it was a 64 person draw, in which case I would hope they seeded 16. If it is 32, not much you can do.

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by sameerph » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:40 pm

What does happen in badminton is draws are made 3-4 weeks in advance. So, many a times rankings change a lot in the intervening period and also there are a few withdrawals but they do not change the draws. This results in strange match ups but I don't think that is the case here. Need to check if that happened in Saina's match up.

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by prasen9 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:09 am

sameerph wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:17 pm
Quite fair in this case. In a draw of 32 there are 8 seeds and #11,#12, #15 & #16 are not among top 8 seeds . So, what else can you do to avoid these match ups?
Seed the top 16. Or even better, seed the top 32.

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by jaydeep » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:12 am

B. Sai Praneeth also withdrew.

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by jaydeep » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:18 am

Satwik-Ashwini started with a win against Taipei pair ... In the final qualifying, they r facing experienced Danish pair, who defeated them in the last month's Denmark Superseries in the straight games.

At $700K TAHOE China Open 2017, Fuzhou (World Superseries Premier)

[Q1] Satwiksairaj Rankireddy (IND)/ Ashwini Ponnappa (IND) bt Lee Jhe-Huei (TPE)/ Wu Ti Jung (TPE) 24-22 21-7

[Q2] Satwiksairaj Rankireddy (IND)/ Ashwini Ponnappa (IND) vs (4) Niclas Nohr (DEN)/ Sara Thygesen (DEN)

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by sameerph » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:36 am

prasen9 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:09 am
sameerph wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:17 pm
Quite fair in this case. In a draw of 32 there are 8 seeds and #11,#12, #15 & #16 are not among top 8 seeds . So, what else can you do to avoid these match ups?
Seed the top 16. Or even better, seed the top 32.
Yes, that would be ideal. Even better would be to pair up 1 against 32, 2 against 31 and so on. But, I guess administratively it is too difficult for organisers to do. It is not done in any sport.

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by prasen9 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:19 am

I think administratively that can be done. We had discussed this maybe 10-15 years ago. I think Jay had alluded to the fact that if you always do 1-32, etc. you would have the same or very similar matchups every week. I don't think that would be that much of a problem because of differences in entry lists etc. But, I guess it is what it is ...

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by suresh » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:43 am

I think they need to have 16 seeds. One can scramble/randomise the 9-16 seeds so that match ups are not fixed by the seedings alone. I recall Saina playing the 8th seed when she was ranked 9 in R1.

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by prasen9 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:11 am

I'd be fine with that though I do like the 1v32, etc. matchups. I want to see the top seeds go long in the tournament.

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by jaydeep » Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:25 am

But here, our pair defeated them in three games and facing another top-notch Danish pair in the first round.

[Q2] Satwiksairaj Rankireddy (IND)/ Ashwini Ponnappa (IND) bt (4) Niclas Nohr (DEN)/ Sara Thygesen (DEN) 21-16 19-21 22-20

[R1] Prannoy H.S. (IND,11) vs (Q) Dong Keun Lee (KOR,51)

[R1] (Q) Satwiksairaj Rankireddy (IND)/ Ashwini Ponnappa (IND) vs Mathias Christiansen (DEN)/ Christinna Pedersen (DEN)

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by jaydeep » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:27 am

Saina started with a confident win against similar ranked Zhang ... She dominated the match, but next, she is facing a tough match against in-form Japanese girl, Akane Yamaguchi, who defeated Saina three times in 2017 and last two losses were in the last month in Denmark and French Superseries.

Chinese WR #4 pair proved too strong to Satwik and Chirag.

At $700K TAHOE China Open 2017, Fuzhou (World Superseries Premier)

[R1] Saina Nehwal (IND,11) bt Beiwen Zhang (USA,12) 21-12 21-13

[R1] Satwiksairaj Rankireddy (IND)/ Chirag Shetty (IND) l (5) Liu Cheng (CHN)/ Zhang Nan (CHN) 13-21 13-21

[R2] Saina Nehwal (IND,11) vs (5) Akane Yamaguchi (JPN,4)

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Re: China Open / Hong Kong Open World Superseries 2017

Post by jaydeep » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:54 am

Sourabh lost in three games against Frenchman Leverdez ... Ashwini-Sikki also failed to challenge their Korean opponents.

[R1] Sourabh Verma (IND,57) l Brice Leverdez (FRA,30) 14-21 21-15 11-21

[R1] Ashwini Ponnappa (IND)/ N. Sikki Reddy (IND) l Ha Na Baek (KOR)/ Chae Yoo Jung (KOR) 14-21 15-21

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