India's Dream Cricket Test Team

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Re: India's Dream Cricket Test Team

Post by prasen9 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:26 am

I would be fine having a different home team and a different away team. So what if they have a year's gap. Let them play domestics. It will do our domestic tournaments some good if we have our home dadas play at home instead of being in the national team abroad. And, the home zeros like Amarnath and Rahane would actually get more practice at our domestics and may learn to play spin better later on in their lives. Win-win. We do that to our bowlers all the time. Jadeja plays at home and rarely abroad. We should do that to our batsmen too. I would play Pujara and Dhawan at home and maybe not Rahane (and vice-versa, assuming Rahane gets back his form!).

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Re: India's Dream Cricket Test Team

Post by PKBasu » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:53 am

Of Jimmy Amarnath's 37 tests abroad, 11 were in the peak season of his career -- 1982/83 (Pakistan and West Indies) -- when he rose to absolutely astonishing heights. And 5 were against Australia in 1977/78 (another comeback series for him) against a weakened attack (containing Thomson, but no Lillee and Pascoe).
Jimmy used to be dropped -- now that we can see it -- mainly because of his poor home record. Perhaps he was a better player of pace than spin (which is what I would have said about Rahane before this series; again, Jimmy was ordinary in England, so perhaps he was good against pace and bounce, not so much against swing; Dravid and Ganguly were better players of swing than Laxman, who did better against bounce).

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Re: India's Dream Cricket Test Team

Post by prasen9 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:01 pm

Ganguly could even play as an allrounder in England. His dibbly dobblies were lethal when there was swing.

I know I have bloviated a lot in this thread lately, but, here is a point where I would want people to opine on because I have not had the time (or the acumen) to think deeply on this. Atithi asked for the standard deviation of MA asking whether he was consistent. I think that consistency is perhaps not a good measure especially in a below-par team. If you are a below-par team and you are very consistent, you will be scoring 300-325 every innings. It may be difficult to win matches.

For example, instead of getting a 50 so often, I would rather take a 100 and a 0. If I am a losing team anyway, a wildly fluctuating player can be devastating on a day and become a match-winner and then be awol for several matches. But the matches they overperform, we will win. If the batsmen play and score say, 38, 38, 45, 50, 42, (reasonable averages for a reasonable batting order), then you are at 207/5 and your tail's average is perhaps 75-100 more runs. You will not be in a winning position. So, we need some variation to become match-winners.

That is why, I remember Agarkar's sudden heroics in Australia even though throughout his life he was crap. But at least Agarkar can say he won us a match in Australia. Which maybe some other players who were better bowlers than him overall cannot.

So, what should be a good measure to objectively measure the utility of a bowler or a batsman with respect to helping his or her team win, and how do we do it? Maybe look at significantly above average performances in winning matches? But that punishes people like Srinath, say, who were provided no bowling support or batting support abroad :-( Comments? Suggestions?

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