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[Rajkumar Sharma]

NCA doesn't maintain strict rule regarding treatment of players injury.Star players goes for treatment through personal doctors then believing in NCA, big examples are Hardik & Rohit Sharma.Infact its a big question how NCA cleared Hardik for 2021 T20 World Cup in UAE, they are also a part of team's debacle in ICC event as they given clearance to a half fit player.Offcourse there is problem if an injured player ( who plays for national team) becomes surprisingly fit for IPL after missing international and full domestic season, in that case question will be there on player's credibility. T Natarajan, W Sundar are few examples. Freedom should'nt be distributed everywhere and nation comes first then IPL. Only idiots will support giving such kind of freedom to players
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ ... 60142.html
Interesting topic but it failed to bring the real reason. Work load can be an issue for Bumrah, but others like Yash Dayal, Kuldeep Sen, Mohsin Khan, Deepak Chahar, Prasidh Krishna etc hardly gets a game to blame workload for their injury. Finally, how many star players plays a FC game for international return after injury. Recently it was Jadeja, others hardly shows any interest in FC games.

[prasen9]

NCA doesn't maintain strict rule regarding treatment of players injury

The job of the NCA is not to treat players' injuries. It is a cricketing academy. Its purpose is to coach and develop players. The treatment is the job of the BCCI and not the NCA. Anyway, what evidence do you have of rules that NCA maintains and what it does not? Or is this again made up stuff like many of your other claims? Please provide evidence of the existence of rules for players injuries at the NCA and any charter of the NCA that states that it is its job to treat players medically.

Star players goes for treatment through personal doctors then believing in NCA,

I do not know what this sentence means. Star players et treatment from their personal doctors. What is wrong? It is their body. They choose. Then, the believe in the NCA to provide them coaching to get match fit. Again, what is wrong?

Infact its a big question how NCA cleared Hardik for 2021 T20 World Cup in UAE, they are also a part of team's debacle in ICC event as they given clearance to a half fit player.

What Chetan Sharma said is that players use painkillers and pass fitness test. NCA simply renders a fitness test on behalf of the BCCI and reports the results. If this system is not enough, the BCCI needs to figure out what other mechanism it can use. Maybe ask players to play several matches before they are inducted. This is a selection policy issue. If you have evidence that the NCA did not render a fitness test or fudged the results, please provide that.

Offcourse there is problem if an injured player ( who plays for national team) becomes surprisingly fit for IPL after missing international and full domestic season, in that case question will be there on player's credibility. T Natarajan, W Sundar are few examples.

Players can be unfit for some time and then can get fit. Yes, players may be gaming things to make sure that they are fit for the IPL because it pays more money.

Freedom should'nt be distributed everywhere and nation comes first then IPL.

That's BS. If the BCCI wants people to pay tests, pay them more for paying tests than IPL. There is no absolute right for the BCCI to exploit players and make money and not pay them enough.

Only idiots will support giving such kind of freedom to players

Sorry, no. Freedom is a fundamental human right. Only fascists want to have slave labor and force people to do what they don't want to do.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/ ... 60142.html
Interesting topic but it failed to bring the real reason. Work load can be an issue for Bumrah, but others like Yash Dayal, Kuldeep Sen, Mohsin Khan, Deepak Chahar, Prasidh Krishna etc hardly gets a game to blame workload for their injury. Finally, how many star players plays a FC game for international return after injury. Recently it was Jadeja, others hardly shows any interest in FC games.

This is where the BCCI should step in. It was stupid to select Gill simply because of his star power and because he belted some hapless bowlers on flat wickets in India. Any selection to the test team should be on the basis of performance in the FC game. ODI team on List-A games. And, T20I team on T20 domestic matches.

All injuries are not stress injuries. If you want to read up on why sports injuries happen, let me know. I will provide a pointer to some good literature. So, one may get injured playing just one game. In fact, if you are not match fit and you play, you are more likely to get injured. So, just saying that the others hardly played, why are they injured is simply ignorance.

If you want to claim that the NCA or the BCCI is exceptionally bad, and they may be, then provide the evidence. We don't know. It is okay to question things and raise issues. It is not okay to put blame on people without evidence and just based on made up stuff. Do Indian pace bowlers break down more often? The problem is that in order to do this carefully, one has to study the data and see how many games who has missed. We also play a lot more games. So, that needs to be done carefully.

Blaming someone who just gave a fitness test and reported it without any evidence of malfeasance is nonsense.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

BCCI definately needs to show fascism in asking players to play domestic when they are out of form. Nowdays, stars have zero interest to play domestic and even the young batch has adopted the same theory. In Sachin's era there was also plenty of cricket but still the stars showed high interest in playing domestic. There is nothing fault in indore track but the team will blame the track more then their faulty techniques against spin. IPL has definately ruined indian cricket as none thinks of taking rest against such a lucrative contract and it has also become an excuse of tiredness when the team fails in major ICC event ( excuse of team's failure in 2021T20I WC) and also as an example of too much cricket in not playing domestic. Yes, Indian pace bowlers are now breaking down more often. T Natarajan is no where after just 1 test & 2 Odis, 4 T20Is. Prasidh Krishna is more in news of injury then playing the game. Kuldeep Sen broke down just after 1 Odi. Mohsin Khan wasnt found in whole season after IPL, same as Yash Dayal. Deepak Chahar spends more time in bench then playing the game still gets injured. If not NCA, then there must someone who is not setting up these players recovery. Indian bowling is still relying on Shami,Bumrah, Bhuvi, Ishant, Umesh in all these years. Siraj, Arshdeep, Umran came out but rest of the young pacers has completely destroyed the expectation through their injury. Injury might be the part & parcel of the game but thats not for the young upcomming pacers who has just represented the national team or about to make debut.Not a single young pacers in other countries gets ruled out after playing few games.

[Mukherjee Babu]

Too a certain extent you might be correct, a bunch of new pacers can't breakdown by playing few matches, even present chairman Roger Binny had a crack on player's frequent injury soon after his appointment.The legend Kapil has shown concern on Rohit and few other players on fitness https://www.deccanherald.com/sports/cri ... 54723.html

[prasen9]

BCCI definately needs to show fascism in asking players to play domestic when they are out of form.

That is not fascism. Fascism is forcing someone to do something. You give them the choice. They play domestics. Or don't select them.

Yes, Indian pace bowlers are now breaking down more often.

Just because you say so. Is there any evidence for this random claim? How often did the bowlers break down in earlier times? How much did they play and how fast did they bowl?

T Natarajan is no where after just 1 test & 2 Odis, 4 T20Is. Prasidh Krishna is more in news of injury then playing the game. Kuldeep Sen broke down just after 1 Odi. Mohsin Khan wasnt found in whole season after IPL, same as Yash Dayal. Deepak Chahar spends more time in bench then playing the game still gets injured.

Does not prove anything. There have always been a list of injured players in every country at all times.

If not NCA, then there must someone who is not setting up these players recovery.

Fully agree. BCCI should manage them better. There is always scope for improvement.

Indian bowling is still relying on Shami,Bumrah, Bhuvi, Ishant, Umesh in all these years. Siraj, Arshdeep, Umran came out but rest of the young pacers has completely destroyed the expectation through their injury. Injury might be the part & parcel of the game but thats not for the young upcomming pacers who has just represented the national team or about to make debut.Not a single young pacers in other countries gets ruled out after playing few games.

Injury can happen to any player at any time. Junior or senior. Some people like Bruce Reid, Shaun Tait, etc. have been injured since they were very young. It is just nonsense to say no single young pacers in other countries get injured. Many have and many will be. Here is a long list of Australian quicks who have had regular injury problems. Aussie quicks

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Some people like Bruce Reid, Shaun Tait, etc. have been injured since they were very young.

Bruce Reid played the game in 80s, whereas Shaun Tait in 2006-07, differant batch, fully irrelevant. Kuldeep Sen, Prasidh Krishna, Yash Dayal, T Natarajan, Deepak Chahar, Mohsin Khan all are connected to long list of injuries of current batch.Haven't seen 5 to 6 new batch bowlers getting injured with few games

[prasen9]

Among the current batch, look up Pat Cummins. The Aussies managed and fixed him for the first six years or so. Pattinson too. But, the human body is the same from Reid, Tait's time and Cummins' time.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Haven't seen whole batch of Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson getting injured with only few international games.Human body related to work ethics is differant for 100 odis, 40 test pacers and 1 test 4 odi pacers

[prasen9]

Look up their early years. Maybe Hazlewood was the least injured.

Here is Pat Cummins case:

Then came the injuries (PM added: after his debut in 2011). He suffered repeated stress fractures in his lower back and did not play another Test for six years, until the 2017 tour of India. But all the pain and rehab of those intervening years appeared to have been worthwhile as his body toughened up to the rigours of international cricket.

I will add the injury history of the rest. Not only these, the Richardsons, Stoinis, etc. were all injured early.

Australia have dealt with several injury breakdowns amongst their crop of pacers, with all of James Pattinson, Pat Cummins and Ryan Harris on the sidelines currently, along with Starc and Bird. Cummins, 20, and Pattinson, 23, are the youngest of the lot, along with Starc, who is also 23.

From: 2013 article

Young bowlers are more prone to breaking down because their body is just forming. Cummins had to strengthen for 6-7 years before he became strong enough. Harris never made it. Pattinson never either. Starc became stronger but he is still often injured.

[prasen9]

Human body related to work ethics is differant for 100 odis, 40 test pacers and 1 test 4 odi pacers

Will this pass the Turing Test?

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Human body related to work ethics is differant for 100 odis, 40 test pacers and 1 test 4 odi pacers

Will this pass the Turing Test?

Why to invest on AI when simple thought is enough to judge

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Upendra Yadav batting at 7 as WKB for ROI is wastage. With Pant injured, Bharat not performing, he should have been promoted at 4/5 to groom as WKB in test team.

[prasen9]

AI is not needed to run a Turing Test.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Why not in case of high performance

[Mukherjee Babu]

Turing Test, AI or whatever, Team is getting hit by injuries before major events and proper monitoring system should be adopted to take care of injury proned players