New Zealand in India 2023 [ 3 Odis & 3T20Is ]

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Gill should have been playing Ranji instead of destroying his confidence in T20Is. Kishan struggling against Bracewell is selected to face world class Lyon

[sanjay8886]

The Allrounder: 33 runs off 3 overs no wickets. 21 runs off 20 balls at more than a run a ball. What an innings!

It is extremely bad, however, it is still better than our specialist bowlers Arshdeep (4 overs 55 runs) and Umran (1 over 16 run). So, I will prefer Hardik over these specialist bowlers. The wicket was turning square, and frankly, Santner was better than all our spinners for this pitch.

[prasen9]

Well, that I agree with you fully for today. Generally, Arshdeep is more of a wicket-taker while Hardik keeps the runs down better and is obviously a much better bat.

Hey, I like Hardik, I really do. I only think that he would be a much better bowler if he attacked the stumps. And, the coaches should ask him to focus a bit on taking wickets. Then, he will become a true allrounder. And, those are invaluable. At least in Indian cricket. So, maybe he should take coaching from Lord Shardul. That is my current theory. Or he can talk to Arshdeep and get some tips. Or DLC. Or Sivam. Or Siraj. Or, heck maybe even Umran can tell him how to take wickets. In T20Is. And, maybe he can teach each of these how to bowl some line and length. Well, almost everyone. Maybe except DLC.

And, btw, who was the Einstein who did not bowl Hooda the full quota?

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Fast bowlers like Anrich Nortje, Tickner, Wood goes for plenty but the team managrment never drops them or hurt their confidence as the bowlers with raw pace always ends up picking wickets. Pakistan's Harris Rauf was similar entity but he is now a differant bowler with every game.Sending player to domestic with few matches effects development of a fast bowler, team management should change their motive as everyone can't be Kapil, Zaheer or Bumrah with special skills, when it comes to shear pace we did'nt had such kind of bowler at international level as they were thrown out after getting thrashed in few matches. DLC & Thakur can definately be considered if they bring Kallis, Cairns, Flintoff, Kluesner or even Bravo like factor into the team.

[prasen9]

I doubt these three were given chances while being as bad as Umran. I will have to check their early career numbers. I do not have the impression that they were taking wickets at over 25/over in T20Is *and* going at over 11/over. There is bad and there is really, really awful like we have never seen before. Avesh and Umran fall in that category.

[prasen9]

I will slowly get the numbers. I checked Nortje first. In his first 7 T20Is, he averaged 48 but at 7.68 runs/over. Anything below 8 runs/over in today's T20Is (and Nortje played his 7th T20I match in June 2021) is very good. That means he knew how to contain batsmen and was not a headless chicken like Umran when he came on board. Umran gets confused when one asks him the difference between 3rd man and fine leg. He thinks both are the same. His best balls are superb. But, we cannot choose based on a few balls. Consistency matters and he needs to learn that. Nortje was only given international caps when he at least could bowl a good line and length. I suspect the others were the same but it will take me some time to do the numbers.

In other words, Nortje was continued because he proved himself. Pace by itself is useless. Pace with control is what is needed. Nortje had both. The wickets came later. Unlike The Allrounder who has not learnt to get wickets despite having pace and swing. Maybe needs a bit of a thinking brain. Or a session with Lord Thakur.

The reason? Anrich Nortje was 27 at that point. Peak time after years of honing his skills in the domestics that taught him how to differentiate between third man and fine leg. Umran is 23. He has played 11 List A, 7 FC games, and about 30 T20 games before he was foisted onto the international stage. Guy is simply not ready and he will not learn in the international arena. Nobody has ever done that. If you have a comp, show me a comp. Clearly Nortje is not that. I will check Tickner and Wood but they were better than this guy when they played too, I think. More "evidence" of that conjecture when I have time. He does not even come close to being the bowler Nortje was. Anyone (with muscles) can hurl the ball fast. Very few can bowl fast. There is a difference. Umran is more of a hurler at this point.

Also, Nortje goes for plenty? He has an economy of 7.11. That is world leading. No comp to Umran who leads from the other side. Of course, in a fantasy world, Nortje goes for plenty. I cannot really argue in a fantasy world. Meanwhile, in the real world, we are destroying another prospect by stupid selection policies ... Sad. It is in his best interest to be sent back and not think that one does not need to work hard to earn something and just because he has some muscles, things will come to him on a silver platter as they have despite his lousy domestic record.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Nortje, Tickner, Wood plays in pace & seam friendly pitches, they represent nations who had great history of bowlers with raw pace. Nortje @7-8 economy in pace friendly Newlands, Cape Town, Joburg is very close to Umran or Kuldeep Sen's @9 or10 economy in spin friendly slow tracks of India. There is a lot of difference between getting smashed in pacy, bouncy tracks and in indian tracks
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin ... ype=series
Secondly, not a single fast bowler with raw pace returned to the national team after they were dropped. Raju Kulkarni, Varun Aaron all these players had name for bowling fast but they didn't last long

[prasen9]

Our bowlers do not do well in foreign tracks either. I will find the splits for Nortje and others to bust that myth too. Umran or Arshdeep have not shown anything close to what Nortje did in the domestics. Keep spouting myths. It will take me some time to do the analysis but the facts do not hold up.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Domestic comparision will be baseless between someone bowling in bouncy, pace friendly tracks and someone bowling in flat, slow tracks of india. Nortje bbowls in tracks where normal bowl comes around chest whereas Arshdeep, Umran bowls in tracks where normal bowl is around waist

[prasen9]

Keep the B.S. coming. Umran Malik in England: avg 56, eco: 14. In Ireland: 56, @11.2 Even the Irish batters are hammering him like nothing. Nortje was never this bad.

Nortje in Asia: 15 14 47.2 0 357 16 3/8 22.31 7.54

22.31@7.54 off 15 matches. Phenomenal even on slow, Asian pitches.

So, what is the next made up excuse to support this garbage? I hate it that he is going the Avesh Khan way, the other rubbish the selectors served us. But, at this moment he is nothing but utter rubbish.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Still Umran won a game in Ireland by defending 4 run in last ball and other games were warm ups not even FC standard. Nortje played more game then Umran, and in last T20I series he leaked runs @12 over

[prasen9]

I have quoting only international matches and not warmup matches.

Yes, every dog has his day. I concede. In the balls, Umran bowled the batsman out, he gave away 0 runs. So, we should only cherrypick the balls a bowler bowled well. So, what if he bowled one over for 4 runs? He needed to defend four runs because he gave away runs like a reckless millionaire's son. And despite that 4 over match, his economy is 11 runs/over. Then imagine how bad he was in his 3 overs before and the other match to have that average.

Umran's record in international matches in England and Ireland are hopeless. Don't even bring Nortje's name into the picture. Nortje will possibly bowl better than Umran in his sleep. Has always done so in the international stage.

[prasen9]

Still Umran won a game in Ireland by defending 4 run in last ball and other games were warm ups not even FC standard. Nortje played more game then Umran, and in last T20I series he leaked runs @12 over

Brilliant. We should pick the one series Nortje bowled badly and choose the best ball Umran has bowled and then prove our point. By that token, I choose Bradman's last innings. He scored 0. So, he is a worse batsman than Maninder Singh. Let's just find an innings where Maninder scored 1.

Oh, sorry my bad. He won a game defending 4 runs in one ball. Here I was thinking it was 4 runs in one over. Because of that one ball, we should kick out the other deserving candidates and give this failure a lifetime tenure. Wow!

Look at the entire body of work.

[Rajkumar Sharma]

Someone played 18Test, 29 T20Is, 18 T20Is nearly 3 years in cricket and someone just started to play the game. Comparision with overall stat is irrelevant, as the other guy has not even played 10 games in any of the format.But still its great to see both are close in leaking runs in indian tracks. If a player gets compared with 1/2 matches then players like MSD by now would have been forgotten

[prasen9]

I have given you comparison of Nortje's first seven T20Is. He was never as rudderless as Umran even then. There is just no comparison between Nortje and Umran in the international stage.

They may be close in Indian tracks. But, Nortje has bowled the world over and done well. Umran has done badly everywhere. And, he has played a lot of T20 matches in the domestics. He has been awful throughout wrt runs/over.