South Africa In India 2022

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Re: South Africa In India 2022

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I wouldn't mind Ishan and Pant for openers. No please no Dhawan. His skills have deteriorated.
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Why 3 wicket keepers in Playing XI when only one can do keeping duties ? DK has got finishing skills, he is definately going to make in the Playing XI. Will include 2 proper batsman instead, who can ball few overs. T20 Cricket demands that player who can do atleast 2 jobs that boosts the captain in taking out as many overs he can from that player in stock, when a strike bowler goes for runs.

Shastri & co. wrong decision of including 3 keepers in vital game of CWC 2019 semis costed the team . If Dhawan can't be included inspite of performances, will go for Abhishek Sharma or Tilak Verma who provides option both with bat & ball.
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Among this team, the top-7 batsmen are:

Rahul, Iyer, Hardik, Iyer, Pant, Hooda, Karthik

Now, the two youngsters looking in are Kishan and Rutu. We have played Kishan for a while and someone should just tell him to go and hit. He will possibly open with Rahul.

Shreyas, Hardik, Karthik will possibly play.

Pant is the blue-eyed boy, Hooda is the sixth bowler, and Venkatesh Iyer is a very good hitter for spin useful for overs 6 to 15. So, who gives. I think it may be Venkatesh because of his poor IPL form.

I am not a big fan of Pant in LOIs but as some of the posts above showed he has not been that bad. But, not that bad is not really a ringing endorsement either.
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Rahul and Kuldeep are ruled out. Pant will lead the team. Debate over.
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Ruturaj Gaikwad so far had to warm in the bench, he didnt knew when his turn going to come. Now he should be in very much relaxed frame of mind, as he is going to play all the 5 T20Is.

Things to take from this series.Permanent 3rd opener in T20Is, how Shreyas will response to short ball tactics against him, Pandya as allrounder, Axar with the bat as Jadeja's contemporary, DK as finisher, Is simething left in Bhuvi and V Iyer
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As I said before, we need a brand new crop of players except a few from the current team. The T20 format does not care that much about experience. India’s winning team from the inaugural World Cup was not a fluke.

We have to get rid of Kumar from this team immediately as I had posted only a couple days ago. Need more evidence?

Is Pandya good for only one over of bowling? And, refusing a run off the second last ball to I think one with highest IPL 2022 SR DK?

:rant: And, why can’t ground sizes be standardized? It’s ridiculous to play on grounds with boundaries under 60m and as big as 80m. How do you judge a player’s competency when there is such a difference in ground sizes? Does any other sport allow such arbitrary ground sizing? How do you compare records in cricket if they are not achieved in the same size ground? It’s beyond me. It’s certainly not favorable for India to have smaller grounds. We will usually be disadvantaged by that. :rant:
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India is in high threat of loosing this series.Its unlikely Dravid will change this Playing XI till the third match. Bhuvi is now finished & Harshal is too much predictable. Axar Patel got smashed and we think he is replacement for Jadeja, such a poor stuff.
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It’s not a threat. India is not a strong ODI team. It’s predictable result.
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I doubt stadiums abroad will reduce their ground size? As far as indian ground sizes, where land size is premium and BCCi is too greedy to give up seats, this is always going to be problem

It was very shortsighted to play Bhuvi ! Arshdeep should have played in his place! We may have had 4 WK if KL was not injured! Just goes onto show u our batting depth

Considering that DK had just faced 2 deliveries only it was probably not a bad idea!

Our strength is supposed to be our bowling and we could not defend 211!
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Land is a premium only in India? Mohali was a sleepy town when PCA built its stadium there. A stadium can easily be built, and ostensibly it’s better, on the outskirts where land isn’t a premium (mass transportation could be an issue).

No, other countries don’t need to shrink their stadia size to match stupid BCCI. And, I don’t particularly care. All I ask is why are they not standard?

Yes, Arshdeep should’ve played. It’s unfair for DK to be told he should not take the strike for the last ball. He faced similar situations throughout the latest IPL. He lit Bangladesh up similarly a few years ago, IIRC.

Anyway, no matter who we play, our bowlers look clueless against marauding Millers and vdDs. All teams have those, and we do too. But, our bowlers take a bigger pasting inevitably.
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So this is the great fast bowling talent that we unearthed in this IPL that experts were going gaga about: Avesh, Harshal and Umran!! The level of talent is really quite mediocre both in fast bowling and batting, and this was evident during the IPL, where our players were getting outclassed in almost every game by Butler, Miller, Russell and others.
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Bhuvi has been nothing since T20WC, but Dravid's waiting approach is protecting him which is hurting the team. Avesh & Harshal looked very much mediocre in international colours with the few games they played, both looked clueless when SA batters were launching their big hits against them.120+kph bowlers in flat deck will not cause any sort of issue to the big hitters.Avesh with that pace needs to bring variation and learn to bowl yorkers. Harshal has become predictable, the only armoury he has is that slow ball. Bowlers who can't nail yorkers doesn't sustain long enough in T20s.

Dravid's coaching is taking back to old system of waiting aproach, which was thrown away by Shastri&Co. You either deliver in few matches or get fired, this approach since 2015 gave india talents like Bumrah, Pandya, KL, Shardul who won games.
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The fact is that we did not win any multi-nation tournament under Shastri. Lost to NZ in WTC. He has no accomplishments to his name except his loud mouthing and belly growth.
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I do not have problem with Dravid’s approach where he wants to give players long run instead of yanking them after every match.

The problem is this makes selection very important. U cannot afford players getting selected after one very good Season. U need to have track record in domestic, IPL unless the player is a phenomenon.

For me,V iyer should never have been fast tracked based on one IPl season. Is he that much of an upgrade over Shardul or Deepak chahar? Our pace bowling all rounders - Pandya, Thakur, Chahar and V Iyer.V iyer should be at the bottom of this list whether we give preference to batting or bowling.

Again, the short sightedness of the selectors are baffling. They are not picking a squad for WC in Australia. Gill should headline that list over Gaikwad and Ishan Kishen.

In last match, we clearly missed a off spinner. With Kuldeep’s injury, Sundar should have been drafted
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Yanking of Playing XI is definately required. Shastri might have failed as coach in winning ICC events but he was best when it comes to winning billaterals not in India but also in SENA. In his tenure players like Manoj Tiwari, Rishi Dhawan, Stuart Binny, Awana, Sran,Mohit, Gurkeerat etc sort of players were tried, if they have been given long run after failures then India would'nt have gone Bumrah, Axar, Kedar, Pandya or Shardul. And winning billaterals raises confidence of a team in approaching to ICC Events.Shastri has been aggressive in thinking and played gamble by dropping Ashwin Jadeja and gave rise to wrist spin duo that looked top class in SENA.

No doubt Dravid is legend, but he might end up in backing wrong players that might lead to the team in more debacle.Bhuvi is now finished, he doesnt deserve to be in Playing XI with such a talented bowling pool warming in the bench.He is bowling in 125+ which can hardly trouble batters, he has lost swing with pace around 135+ that used to surprise batters. Harshal inclusion depends on pitches, he is threatening in slow & sluggish pitches.He will get thrashed in flat & batting friendly decks. Harshal will be tough to face in SL, BD and WI but will be taken into cleaners in SENA conditions.Picking both Bhuvi & Harshal wasnt a good decision in that flat track.

Comming back to V Iyer, he did'nt got chance in the team for one season IPL, he also had backing of good domestic season.He is an pace bowling allrounder which is very much rare in India and this kind of talents required support. As a raw talent Pandya only had skill of bowling bouncers and had a good pace. I remember Rohit, how he developed Pandya in MI, use to give him full qouta of 4 overs in middle overs also sometimes he used to open the bowling in few matches, made him capable to bat anywhere, samething was done by MS, gave Pandya lots of confidence in bowling tough overs as a result he is now a match winner. Even Shreyas or Morgan in KKR, didnt show enough confidence in him as an allrounder.
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