India in Australia, 2018-2019

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Re: India in Australia, 2018-2019

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Siraj bowled at about 139k for one ball. But, he is an idiot. He is going round the wicket and bowling on their legs with his field on the offside. The last two balls he came over the wicket to the left-handers (meaning round-the wicket for the rights) and did well. Then, for his second and third overs, he went bag to the round the wicket bowling! Stupid. His first three overs were utter crap. Khalil does not have enough pace but he can swing the ball and brings variety being a left-hander and is younger (more upside wrt pace and consistency).

Our media people are also crap. Did anyone ask Rohit or whoever came for the media, why we are playing with no sixth bowler when we have Bhuvi, who is only usually good in the first half, Khalil/Shiraj who are inexperienced and inconsistent, etc.? We have to endure 10 overs of Shiraj even if he has an off day? Or the chucker Rayudu's longhops?
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Re: India in Australia, 2018-2019

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Shami bowled a reasonable opening spell (1/17 off 4 overs, including a short sharp one that snared Carey). Siraj has bowled absolute rubbish -- 0/34 in 4 overs. He either bowls on the legs and gets flicked, or bowls wide outside off (often getting cut for 4) or bowls a short ball (low bouncer) that gets creamed for a boundary.
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Re: India in Australia, 2018-2019

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Siraj is a terrible selection, he is a good red ball cricketer but lack the cojones for white ball.

Bhuvi will leak runs at the end, we should have had him bowl a 7-over spell.

Dhoni dropped Khwaja. Just something to keep in mind when people argue about Pant's keeping, Dhoni is no better at this point.
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Jadeja pulls off a stunning run out (Khawaja). This is what he adds to the side -- difficult to measure this extra contribution he makes (but makes consistently) in the field.
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Sin Hombre wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:38 am Dhoni is no better at this point.
That may be a stretch. Pant's movements are awkward and that will be a problem when keeping to the spinners. Pant dropped several in the series. Not as many to kick him out but still. He should improve. Hope his batting success will not get to his head. Dhoni is useless in ODIs. He cannot bat in tests either. Let him retire.

I always wonder why we do not get Bhuvi to bowl a seven over spell. He and Shami should have bowled the first 10 overs at least.

Kohli and Shastri have this tendency to pull one or two changes just randomly. I almost think there is no thought or planning. They wake up and say, "Hey, let's play this person." Having said that, Siraj is 24. He has one of the best List-A records in domestics. So, he should have been tried, no doubt. Do that after the WCs and with some game-plan for him. Bowling on the legs with short square boundaries in Adelaide is not a good idea.
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Jadeja is just darting and struggling as always on a flat patta bowling first.

We essentially have 3.5 bowlers in this match so Aus should comfortably get to 300+ from this point.
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PKBasu wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:44 am Jadeja pulls off a stunning run out (Khawaja). This is what he adds to the side -- difficult to measure this extra contribution he makes (but makes consistently) in the field.
Nope. It is pretty easy. Just add that as a wicket-taken. He does not consistently affect run-outs to compensate for the wickets he does not take (in comparison to Chahal). But he consistently saves runs. And, if you keep notes, you can estimate how many runs he saves on the field. He is an utterly crappy ODI bowler though. If he improved his batting, then we could play him as a bat and a fielder and the sixth bowler. These days in ODIs, you have to get wickets in the middle overs. Containing bowlers who do not take wickets (Bhuvi, Jadeja) are pretty limited.
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Sin Hombre wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:08 am We essentially have 3.5 bowlers in this match so Aus should comfortably get to 300+ from this point.
And, he has already used up 6 overs of Shami and 6 overs of Kuldeep by over 25 :-(
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Siraj :damn:
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Re: India in Australia, 2018-2019

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Siraj has a pretty good record in domestic first class and List A cricket, but I'm surprised how poor he has been today. He has bowled precisely one good ball -- a late outswinger that beat Stoinis. But he has been woeful otherwise.
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I agree that Jadeja is a pretty useless lower-order batsman in ODIs. He needs to do more with the bat. But both he and Bhuvi have excellent economy rates -- 5 for the latter, less than 5 for Jadeja (over his ODI career). Yes, both have unimpressive bowling averages (which shows that they don't take enough wickets), but the economy rates are worthwhile, and Jadeja adds a lot in the field. Surprisingly, Jadeja averages over 30 with the bat at a strike rate of just below 85 (but I think it's been awhile since he did much with the bat in an ODI).
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Re: India in Australia, 2018-2019

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Siraj was terrible in Nidahas (sp) t20i tournament as well so not that much of a surprise.
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Re: India in Australia, 2018-2019

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I have come to think that economy rates and strike rates are over-rated with respect to today's ODIs. Australia tried this experiment by getting high SR people. Now, they are all gone barring Finch, I suppose. Now they are back to batsmen that can construct big innings. I think that is the way to go because any batsman today can have a high SR. Of course, some such as Pant may do it seamlessly while others will have to remind themselves to hit. The value is with batsmen who can actually score runs. Not very many can do although a lot of them can hit for a cameo. I think it is the same with respect to bowling. Your effectiveness depends upon your bowling. In that sense, the average captures a bit of both --- the SR (balls/wicket) and the runs/ball to come up with runs/wicket.

Of course, this is based on anecdotal evidence and not analysis.

The point, of course, is not to compare Jadeja to Khalil. But, there are only 3 candidates who are legitimate contenders for the #7 spot. Pandya, Shankar, and Jadeja. We did not really try out R. Dhawan in any reasonable capacity. The problem is that we do not have a good #3 pacer now. Bhuvi is half that being able to keep runs down in his first spell but not take more than a wicket or so per match. So, Pandya or Shankar for Bhuvi/Khalil/Shami sounds fine wrt the bowling part. Maybe Shankar cannot bowl that much and will be shown up or patched by Kedar. But, Jadeja is effectively keeping out Chahal, who along with Kuldeep has been the strength of our bowling along with Bumrah. If Jadeja had exactly the same numbers but was a medium-pacer allrounder, then he would have been very attractive. That said, we need to add Jadeja's fielding to his bowling and then add his batting to see if he is a better bet than Chahal. Again, anecdotally, I think we need Chahal's strike power especially because we will only use Jadeja's batting skills rarely.
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Re: India in Australia, 2018-2019

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Chahal hasn’t done much for a while. Outside India, I’m not sure he will be effective. And, if he can’t swing the bat even as Shami does, no place for him in limited over games. Maybe T20 where his batting shouldn’t really be needed.
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Re: India in Australia, 2018-2019

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A lot of Siraj's good Ranji record is in the Plate league. Frankly I don't think the Plate should be considered first class cricket. We get a lot of misleading statistics coming from playing against the poorer quality teams in the Plate -- and now both C and Plate are lower-division teams. Vihari and Siraj fall into this category.
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