Champions Trophy, 2017

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Re: Champions Trophy, 2017

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Kohli was bogged down until that six off Hasan Ali followed immediately by that dismal Wahab over. Yuvi got the team going after those 14 overs of incredibly laborious batting between Rohit and Kohli.

@prasen, we played them last time as well and gave a similar battering at Edgbaston.That said, our only 2 defeats to them in ICC tournaments have occurred in this tournament.
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Our ODI bowling is really quite disciplined these days, which gives one confidence even when the batsmen are off-form. Dhawan played well yesterday, but Rohit's drastic slowdown after he got to 70 was unconscionable. Yuvi was brilliant, capitalising superbly on the dropped chance (and so did Kohli, who played an awful shot just before the six off Hasan Ali, but found the substitute fielder drop a sitter at midwicket).
Always nice to see a hammering of Pakistan, but they are the lowest-ranked team in the competition, so perhaps we shouldn't draw expansive conclusions...
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Really? Did they not stink up the joint against RSA and England at home? Our bowlers look good because Pak batsmen did hara-kiri. Of course, they were somewhat disciplined. But, keeping the discipline under pressure is what it is about. Let us see this against RSA, Eng, Aus, NZ --- teams who play pace well and then we will know. Bhuvi does not take wickets. Bumrah seems to have lost his wicket-taking form. Umesh is the worst bowler who has ever played significantly for India in ODIs wrt runs/over. Hardik is too one-dimensional and inconsistent. The one bowler who has done well in the past has not played ODIs for two years or whatever and is perhaps not match fit. Shami. So, let's hope they find some form and consistency soon.

On another day, we will need a sixth bowler because Hardik will most possibly be taken to the cleaners. Yuvraj, hopefully, is practicing bowling. In ODIs, he has been more of a strike bowler than, say, Bhuvi. The other person who is candidate for sixth bowler is Kedar Jadhav. I hope Kumble is working with him too.
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Re: Champions Trophy, 2017

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ICCDhawan continues to impress.
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Yuvraj seems to have played a bizarre innings.

Dhoni and Dhawan need to pick up the pace.
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Sin Hombre wrote:ICCDhawan continues to impress.

Exactly. Not sure why he gets up for these ICC tournaments. 5 hundreds in < 15 innings I think.
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Flat wickets.

Dhoni played a very good innings. Great cameos by Hardik and especially Jadhav. Rohit and Dhawan played well. Maybe in the future, the openers can be a slight bit faster. But, if that seems risky due to the conditions, I will take this start any day.
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Astonishing that Jadeja got hammered so badly at the Oval, where spinners usually do well.
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So, maybe, we need Ashwin and Shami after all. Like I had said, I do not have much confidence on this bowling attack. Granted this was a flat pitch, but, still ...
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prasen9 wrote:So, maybe, we need Ashwin and Shami after all. Like I had said, I do not have much confidence on this bowling attack. Granted this was a flat pitch, but, still ...
And Jadhav is becoming a liability in the field!!!
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I do not think batting it out in the first 10 over powerplay for 50 runs is good strategy.

Argument for hitting early: This is when the boundary has the least protection. You will never get it as easy in the rest of the innings. Given that the scores are higher and the wickets down lower, in practice, you actually have more resources now than before. So, you have to be more attacking in today's ODI at the beginning.

Argument against hitting early: The ball is shiny and swinging and you are not as well set.

So, maybe hedge the bets and try to get 55-60 runs instead of going for just 50. One batsman should be given the license to hit over 6 runs/over. That should be Dhawan. If he goes early, he should be told that he will not be blamed (that much).
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The blame should actually be placed on Kohli and Yuvi, who wasted too many deliveries and Dhawan too, who wasn't very quick, on this the easiest of surfaces to bat on. There was no assistance at all for the bowlers, and even a score of 350 was not easily defensible. We perhaps misjudged how easy it was when we came on to bat and set a target too low. Also maybe a case of under-estimation of the opposition, especially given how Mathews was virtually conceding the match even before it was played.
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Re: Champions Trophy, 2017

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Very true. Well said.
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Australia is out! They were unlucky that they had only one completed match. But, playing with two allrounders Henriques and Maxwell doomed them. Henriques was batted too high and could not do much. Furthermore, they do not have a wicket-keeper-batsman which is required for ODIs. Wade is a poor ODI bat. Then, they erred in bringing Cummins into the XI and Patterson in the team and leaving out Coulter-Nile. Imho, Coulter-Nile should be in the XI and Cummins the backup. Coulter-Nile does not get respect because he is a gentleman who goes around doing his job. Aussies prefer their bowlers to be rascals. This fascination with too many allrounders served them well at home when they won the world cup. But, England wickets are different from Aussie ones. Their allrounders are not that good all-round abroad. Finally, they keep playing Finch despite his poor average primarily because of his SR. Travis Head can open. And, you can bring someone solid like George Bailey to strengthen the MO. The SR-based selection policy backfired because they lost too many wickets and could not put up a good total.

Warner, Head, Ferguson, Smith, Bailey, Stoinis, Wicket-keeper who can bat, Starc, Coulter-Nile, Hazlewood, Zampa/Agar would have been a much stronger team.

If the wicket-keeper is not a big hitter, ask him to open and move Head before Stoinis. Head and Stoinis can hit big. I think poor selection did the Aussies in this time.
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Re: Champions Trophy, 2017

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There is a chance that Bangladesh and Sri Lanka may be the Asian representatives in the semi-finals!
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