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For those of you who do not want to click that link, the retests were done in Montreal by WADA. Sad that the Delhi lab is incompetent or an accomplice :-(
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Hope that link is not leading to something other than what is intended.
Here's the Deccan Herald story on this. Actually, a day ahead of PTI. TOI also had the story with DH but here it is PTI in TOI.
https://www.deccanherald.com/sports/nir ... 05139.html
It appears, WADA stipulates certain Minimum Required Performance Levels for labs. Some of the labs are capable of going below that level and thus detect very low concentration levels. The New Delhi lab cannot do that though it is within the minimum prescribed by WADA.
It is too early to say what really is the case in these six instances (five track and field and one woman weighlifter) and what will be the eventual fate of the New Delhi lab.
Montreal and Cologne are two of the labs that can go below the minimum level to detect banned substances. There may be others.
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Thanks for the clarification, Mugu.
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Sanjitha's doping ban has been revoked. So, was this a genuine error and she is innocent? It seems to me that the lab made a labeling error and she had indeed doped and is getting away scott free. Unfortunately, because we had so many dope cheats, we will only be able to send two males and two females to the Tokyo Olympics. I hope we choose well. The future generation in a country is being punished for the crimes of the past. I do not think this is fair. But, if there is systemic corruption and the organization or national body is doing doping, this may help.
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Sanjita Chanu's provisional suspension was lifted by the IWF. The case is still going on. IWF has clarified that mix-up regarding code number has nothing to do with any fresh development. Instead, they have said the lifting of provisional suspension is based on expert opinion regarding "analytical reports". All these are rather confusing of course. Plus the time being taken to arrive at a decision. in May, it would be one year if we take into consideration the date on which she was actually communicated her offence of 18 Nov 2017.
The Insidethegames story that you have posted here itself has given the IWF explanation (though it was added after a confusion arose whether it was provisional suspension or final decision regarding exoneration):
An IWF statement said: “From the documentation provided to the athlete with the IWF notification it was evident which sample the IWF was referring to and that the results indicated in the attached analysis report corresponded with the athlete's sample and doping control form.

"One of the references in the notification was indeed erroneous, however this bears no relevance at all to the outcomes of the case.

"The issue has been addressed by the IWF with both the athlete and the Weightlifting Federation of India on multiple occasions.

"The IWF has conducted its procedures in full compliance with the applicable rules.

"Given the complex nature of the case the initial review under Article 7.2 of the World Anti-Doping Code involved multiple parties and required much more time than usual.

"With the conclusion of the initial review on 15 May 2018 the IWF immediately notified the athlete.

"Further to a recent expert opinion of the analytical aspects of the case, it was decided to lift the suspension pending the final decision of the panel.

"Pending the decision of the IWF Disciplinary Panel, the World Anti-Doping Agency will review the situation with the lab.

"As the case is still ongoing the IWF is not in a position to provide further comments on it."
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Which is the question. Was the analysis wrong? This case gets weirder and weirder. And Chanu was adamant that she did not dope. Don't know what the truth is.
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prasen9 wrote: Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:16 pm Which is the question. Was the analysis wrong? This case gets weirder and weirder. And Chanu was adamant that she did not dope. Don't know what the truth is.
True, it is rather confusing. A false positive looks most unlikely. We would have heard from WADA by now had this been the case. Lack of lab protocols could be a possibility when IWF says "experts" opinion etc. Sanjita Chanu or those close to her have alleged that code numbers have gone wrong, alleging that the sample does not belong to her. The sooner the IWF brings this case to a conclusion the better it would be for the credibility of anti-doping as a whole.
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Mugundan wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:32 am Sanjita Chanu or those close to her have alleged that code numbers have gone wrong, alleging that the sample does not belong to her.
I know nothing about Bio-Chemistry, but even if you discount the doping angle, wouldn't it be rather easy to prove whether or not the sample belongs to her?

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Maybe the process does not allow DNA testing and maybe DNA testing is expensive. Don't know. It seems that these are her samples anyway. It was a typo.
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All other substances (proteins, carbohydrates, fats, metabolites, etc) are same in all of us. The code is set by DNA. You need atleast one cell to do that. If blood was used, DNA testing would have been fairly easier. But if urine/sweat/saliva was used, it's difficult. DNA testing for such disputes regardless is very expensive. Here it looks like a case of mislabeling. Or atleast that's how it's shown to be.
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Varma wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:21 pm
Mugundan wrote: Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:32 am Sanjita Chanu or those close to her have alleged that code numbers have gone wrong, alleging that the sample does not belong to her.
I know nothing about Bio-Chemistry, but even if you discount the doping angle, wouldn't it be rather easy to prove whether or not the sample belongs to her?

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Yes, that could be possible, though that stage might not have been reached. As ornatebrute explains below, DNA on urine is complicated though not impossible.And as Prasen said the cost factor would also be there. The IWF has clarified that it was a mistake. As long as they can show the bottle code mentioned is the same as what the doping control form has, there should be no problem. The worrying aspect is the delay. What is happening? Ten months now.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... e-5609402/
Finally, the Narsingh Yadav doping saga is getting to a close. So it would seem from this report in the Indian Express. Wonder what WFI would say now, having destroyed the image of Sushil Kumar after having hinted that he was the man behind the sabotage? What will it tell the public now after having backed a doper throughout? What will it tell PM office after having misled it? What will it tell the panel that exonerated the wrestler? The wrestling fraternity should not pardon the people involved in this doping drama.
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For the record:
Marimuthu Gomathi, the Tamil Nadu woman who won the Asian 800m gold, has tested positive. She had caught the imagination of a large number of sports fans in the country when she came out of nowhere and won in Doha. She later narrated her family's hardship and there were quite a number of people who blamed the Govt and the Federations for her plight.
She now faces a four-year ban.
https://www.deccanherald.com/sports/oth ... 35145.html
There was a delay in NDTL reporting her case and that led to her participation in Doha. Now, that delay has raised doubts about NADA's functioning.
https://indianexpress.com/article/sport ... e-5743178/
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Shocking revelation!
Our athletes, almost all gold medallists in athletics, were not tested by NADA before the games. Some of them were not tested throughout the year in 2018.
Coming in the wake of the Sports Minister's statement that there were 187 positive cases reported in 2018-19, this gives a picture of apathy by the authorities amidst widespread doping. Apparently, the top athletes were allowed a free run.
https://www.firstpost.com/sports/indias ... 36211.html
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