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Do we have any contenders in higher weight categories in Men’s freestyle?
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srini wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:09 pm Do we have any contenders in higher weight categories in Men’s freestyle?
Very difficult to see anyone of them win a medal or quota. Best bets are our great Sushil Kumar who is back here and junior world chamion in Deepak Punia in 86 kgs. But, one is past his prime and the other is still transitioning to senior category. So, looks difficult.
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Sushil lost in first round but he was leading 9-4 at the break but tired badly at the end. At 36, he can still build back his endurance so not all hopes are lost.
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Yes and the Kazkah whom he lost to narrowly went on to beat 2 world medalists in the next 2 rounds before losing to defending champion Burroughs in the SF. So, Sushil was much better here than the Asian games. Can he at this age try a final flourish next year at Tokyo ? Probably too much of a ask ?

In the meantime, Bajrang came back from 2-6 down to beat the Mongolian 8-7 to win bronze. :-)

First Indina to win 3 world championships medals. But, Mongolian looked tough too.

The Russian Rashidov easily beat the Kazakh wrestler 11-0 to win gold. The Kazakh really is not in the same class as these wrestlers and should never have won against Bajrang.

Last year's world champion Otoguru lost in the bronze match too against an Hungarian,

So, looks like there are 6-7 wrestlers here in this weight class who can really aim for a medal at Tokyo. ( Russia, India,Japan,Hungary,Azerbeijan, Mongolia etc.)

Very good chance for Bajrang but not a given.
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And Ravi Kumar wins our third bronze of this world championships beating Iran's Reza 6-3 in bronze medal match.

What a surprise run by him here. Defeated #7 Reza Atri (IRI), 61 KG European champ Arsen Harutyunyan (ARM) and 2017 world champ Yuki Takahashi (JPN) and only lost narrowly to eventual gold medalist Ugueve from Russia.

He looked so assured in his bronze medal match. His confidence would be up after winning a medal in his first senior world championships.
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Indian beating Iran in strength sports(except kabbadi, that also we are loosing now) is not we hear often
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sameerph wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:02 pmYes and the Kazkah whom he lost to narrowly went on to beat 2 world medalists in the next 2 rounds before losing to defending champion Burroughs in the SF. So, Sushil was much better here than the Asian games. Can he at this age try a final flourish next year at Tokyo ? Probably too much of a ask?
Maybe, but never count out that dude. If anybody can do it, it is probably that guy. He has a streak of determination that is a level above others.
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sameerph wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:09 pm
In the final of 53 kg, North Korean wrestler thrashed Japanese Mukaida who had beaten Vinesh easily. The North Korean had beaten the Japanese in Asian championships too. So, it does look like in this weight category, the North Korean and the Japanese are clear top 2 and Vinesh as of now favortie to pick up bronze.

She will have to think hard if she wants to stay here or go down again to 50 kg. In 50 kg, Azerbejan's Stadnik is pretty much unbeatable. But, other wrestler are whom Vinesh has beaten before.

So, gold looks to be far for Vinesh in either category. So, she might as well stay at 53 kg and work on her strength in next 1 year to try and get ahead of Japanese and North Korean.
That might not be the complete case as it looks like Vinesh has won over that North Korean wrestler
Vinesh on Mukaida and the north Korean wrestler
“She is very strong,” Phogat said. “When I got hit with a takedown, she took a tight grip of my stomach and I had injured those muscles last month. Immediately, the thought that I might get injured again came and she rolled me for two more points. So I wasn’t there in that bout.”
Despite her loss, Phogat showed great improvement from her 0-10 loss to the Japanese at the Asian Championships in April.

“Mukaida has a weak defence in certain techniques but I am not strong in those attacks,” she said. “So I have to work on that. Wrestling is a body game so you need to change that very quickly. I have defeated the North Korea wrestler who became the world champ twice. She destroyed Mukaida. It’s different with every wrestler.”



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Awesome performance by the wrestlers to win 3 bronze medals! They should all be medal prospects at Tokyo as they all looked pretty good in their wins and especially Bajrang was essentially robbed by the judges.
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Agree with sameer that Bajrang has a very good chance but he is part of a group of 5 wrestlers behind the Russian Rashidov.

For Ravi, it is a bit similar with a dominant #1 in the Russian Uguev but he group behind him is a bit smaller with just 3 (Kazakh, Turkey, India). Only caveat is we only have a single data point for Ravi at this level.

sameer, any idea on his performances before this?

My current Olympic projections

Would be disappointed if they do not medal

Bajrang Punia (men's 65kg) -- tempted to drop him one level but also hard to justify that after a 2nd successive medal at the worlds.

Likely medal contenders but would like to see a few more world class performances first

Ravi Kumar (men's 57kg)
Vinesh Phogat (women's 53kg)

Rational mind knows they are no-hopers but we will still hope

Sushil Kumar (men's 74kg)

Sakshi is completely dropped.
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I am reading an American wrestling forum and they think the bias in the favour of the Kazakh in Bajrang's bout was ridiculous in that he got every marginal decision and was allowed to waste time and Bajrang should have won with better officiating.

That said, Bajrang was also on the easier side of the draw. Section 4 of the draw in particular was brutal.
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Sin Hombre wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:34 am
For Ravi, it is a bit similar with a dominant #1 in the Russian Uguev but he group behind him is a bit smaller with just 3 (Kazakh, Turkey, India). Only caveat is we only have a single data point for Ravi at this level.

sameer, any idea on his performances before this?

Ravi won silver at world junior championships in 2015 and also won silver at 2018 world under 23 championships. So, he has had the results at junior level but still it was surprising the way he stepped in his first senior world championships. In the Asian championships in April, he lost in the bronze medal match against Takahashi. Iran's Reza won the gold here. Ravi beat both Takahashi and Reze here. So, effectively he has become the best in Asia based on this performance. And best in Asia is very close to best in the world in the lighter weight category.

Today, world junior champion Deepak Punia has drawn a Kazak wrestler in first round in 86 kgs. The Kazakhs seem to have manipulated the draws here too. The draw for the Kazakh looks easy . So, if Deepak can get thru the Kazakh ( not easy in this world championships with all the refrees), he gets the draw made for Kazakh and it looks easy in next 2 rounds. :D

Mausam Khatri has got the American top gun Snyder in first round. So, pretty good chance that he will get into repachages. Can he do something here ?
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sameerph wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:32 am


Today, world junior champion Deepak Punia has drawn a Kazak wrestler in first round in 86 kgs. The Kazakhs seem to have manipulated the draws here too. The draw for the Kazakh looks easy . So, if Deepak can get thru the Kazakh ( not easy in this world championships with all the refrees), he gets the draw made for Kazakh and it looks easy in next 2 rounds.
Deepak Punia does that. He beats the Kazakh 8-6 in first round , then beats a Tajik wrestler easily in next round and then beats a Colombian wrestler in a close bout (7-6) coming from 0-4 down. Thru to SF and earns 4th olympiad quota for us. :clap:

Also Rahul Aware reaches the SF in non-olympic 61 kg class.

Both the semi finals coming up shortly.
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sameerph wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:32 am
sameerph wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:32 am


Today, world junior champion Deepak Punia has drawn a Kazak wrestler in first round in 86 kgs. The Kazakhs seem to have manipulated the draws here too. The draw for the Kazakh looks easy . So, if Deepak can get thru the Kazakh ( not easy in this world championships with all the refrees), he gets the draw made for Kazakh and it looks easy in next 2 rounds.
Deepak Punia does that. He beats the Kazakh 8-6 in first round , then beats a Tajik wrestler easily in next round and then beats a Colombian wrestler in a close bout (7-6) coming from 0-4 down. Thru to SF and earns 4th olympiad quota for us. :clap:

Also Rahul Aware reaches the SF in non-olympic 61 kg class.

Both the semi finals coming up shortly.
And Deepak Punia beats the swiss and moves into the finals. Now that's our 4th medal and all in olympic categories. Rahul lost and will fight for bronze tomorrow.

This 4 medals brings grace note back into the game. Like how did they predict exactly 4 medals in olympics :D :D :D
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Sameer spot on with the Deepak Punia prediction. Luckily there was no controversy in judging for him.
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