Davis Cup 2017 - India

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by Varma » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:49 pm

If what we hear through the grapevine turns out to be true, Lee-Pu would be my alternate choice to DiPu :p. Otherwise, a second choice was not necessary for doubles.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by jayakris » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:51 pm

Lee-Pu would be good too, and there is no big Leepu of faith we have to make, to send them in :) Jay

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by Prashant » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:54 pm

Varma wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:20 pm
On current form and fitness, my picks would be...

Singles: RamK, Yuki
Doubles: Divij-Purav with Paes-Purav as the second choice
Reserves: Sumit, Vishnu(or)Bala
That is a sensible & reasonable team. I disagree with most of you on the selection of a doubles pair at all, but if one granted that approach, your team makes sense.

But, we see just how fragile Yuki is. We got 8 sets out of him this tie & he promptly broke down in the very next match he played. I don't think we should ever rely on him to play 2 singles with a high degree of confidence. Which is why, I'd still take our top 3 singles players, whoever they are, and one doubles specialist.

I disagree with Jay's notion that a good doubles player can't just pair up with someone and win a match - the good doubles players from most other countries don't seem to have trouble with this at all. Maybe it is just MB/LP/RB who do. But, I think two doubles specialists puts us at a reasonably high risk of having to field one of them in a singles rubber on day 3.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by PKBasu » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:01 pm

As long as MB is captain, there's zero chance of LP being picked. The obvious choice, given his life time ofDavis Cup achievements, would be Leander-anyone as our doubles pair. In reality we are in danger of relegation to a level in the Davis Cup we haven't plumbed in 60 years.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by S_K_S » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:09 pm

Why are you guys so convinced that Divij/Purav are the answer? To win a world group playoff Davis Cup, pairs need to be winning ATP tournaments. As a pair their ATP tournament win record is very poor.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by Varma » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:29 pm

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Why are you guys so convinced that Divij/Purav are the answer? To win a world group playoff Davis Cup, pairs need to be winning ATP tournaments. As a pair their ATP tournament win record is very poor.
Because they are the only current "Indian" pair with experience playing tour level events. If Rohan had any leadership qualities (just the way Sukhwant's article pointed), I would have certainly picked him along with whoever suits him better as a partner (Purva/Divij/Jeevan). This is considering all the politics that keeps Lee away from the team. But Bopanna is only here to show off his higher ranking and grab his spot, nothing more!

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by Prashant » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:10 am

S_K_S wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:09 pm
Why are you guys so convinced that Divij/Purav are the answer? To win a world group playoff Davis Cup, pairs need to be winning ATP tournaments. As a pair their ATP tournament win record is very poor.
Completely agree. Yet another reason why we shouldn't bother with a doubles pair at all. I really hope Saketh is fit for the next tie & they can play RamK/Saketh/Yuki/someone else.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by PKBasu » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:13 am

DiPu have won two ATP tour doubles titles. As a pair, that's the best we have. Of course, I would prefer to pair one of the singles players with our doubles legend Leander (now, not sure about six months from now) or perhaps Bopanna. Yuki is an excellent doubles player, and so is Saketh; the only question with both is fitness!!

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by Atithee » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:59 am

I would rather have Rohan play singles for India in Davis Cup. He is a good singles player. My team:

Rohan, Ramkumar, Yuki for four singles with RK playing two. And pair either Yuki or Rohan with anyone for doubles. For the next 1-2 years, that anyone must be Leander, but it's unlikely to happen. I don't believe in specialist doubles team for Davis Cup.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by sameerph » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:13 am

At the Asia Oceania level at least no need to have 2 doubles specialists. A pair with 1 doubles specialist ( Rohan or Leander) and 1 player who can double up as third singles player would be good enough to beat a Chinese pair. As of now, I would still select Rohan ( based on his much higher ranking than others) and play him on ad court. Would be really good if Saketh can get fully match fit and form by then. Then, my team would be RamK, Yuki, Saketh and Rohan.

Of course, it is more than 6 months away. So, lot of things can change in terms of form and fitness.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by Varma » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:15 am

Atithee,

Rohan was a decent singles player when he was in prime, but at this moment he is not fit enough to play even a best of 3-sets singles match. I see the merit your arguments as well as Prashanth's. If Yuki is as fit as he was last Friday, and assuming Saketh at least gets to similar fitness levels, I would pick RamK, Yuki, Saketh, and Leander. RamK will play both singles, with Yuki and Saki splitting the remaining two singles. One of Yuki/Saki will partner Lee for doubles.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by Atithee » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:22 am

Varma, I'm curious. What's your basis for saying that Rohan isn't match fit for singles? Every Indian player bar Ramkumar has proven to be unfit. Is Rohan really worse than Saketh, Yuki, Jeevan, etc.? I don't think so. I'll rather gamble on him than any of the alternatives. That he can play doubles is always a bonus.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by Varma » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:40 am

I saw one of his matches from court side at Indian Wells recently (not really sure if it was this year or last). I almost died looking at the flab on his tummy :p. In fact I took close-up picture of it too, thinking I would post here. Somehow I felt uncomfortable doing so. :D

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by Atithee » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:44 am

Yes, I remember your post regarding this. Well, how did he fare on the court? Regardless, I'm sticking to my choice, flab or no flab.

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Re: Davis Cup 2017 - India

Post by Varma » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:07 am

To me, using doubles match fitness to extrapolate performance in a best of 5-sets singles match is not even an option. The main reason I am not a big fan of Rohan in the team is, he never looks like he is charge of them team (even on his regular tour matches with whoever he partners). His higher ranking (even his career best) is more based on consistency (more in the lines of Halep and Wozniacki) than any earth-shattering performances. If he did so partnering an Indian, I would have certainly picked them as a team. In a nut shell, he doesn't add much value to our DC squad. Just for records, I do not dislike him as a player, nor am I a member of "I hate Rohan" club. My "picking on him" and not "picking him" has no prejudice or personal bias :D .

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