ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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This year's junior team competitions began this week with Asia Oceania qualifying for world junior tennis for boys under 14.

Unfortunately not good news from our boys. After starting with easy 3-0 wins in their first group New Zealnd and Uzbekistan, we lost to China 1-2 in our last group match to finish in second in our group behind China. Then, in the QF today, we lost to Japan 0-2. So, we do not qualify for world group and will fight for 5-8 positions. Australia, Japan, China and Thailand went to SF and qualified for world group.

Only bright spot was our no.1 player Udit Gogoi who won 3 of his 4 matches including one against China no. 1 and lost in a close 3 setter against Japanese no. 1 player.
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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In the girls event, Ind lost 0-3 against Australia and China (both were seeded teams). Their last match is tomorrow against Sri Lanka.
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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Our girls team beat Srilanka in last group match and then classification matches beat Uzbekistan and Indonesia but lost to Hongkong.

Overall, they finished in 11th position. Earlier our boys finished in 8th position.

Pathetic performance. 8th and 11th in Asia is not where we would like our under 14 teams to finish in Asia Oceania. Lets hope our under 16 teams do better.
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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Our under 16 boys performed only slightly better and finished 7th in junior davis cup Asia Oceania group.

3-0 win over Pakistan and Philipines,2-1 win over Thailand but 1-2 losses against good teams from Korea, Japan and 0-2 against China.

Only consolation is our #1 player Dev Javia won all his matches including against #1 from Korea and Japan ( he did not play against China). So, he certainly appears a very good prospect. But. sad that we do not have anyone as #2 to be able to beat # 2 players from any of these nations. The only match our #2 V.M. Sandeep won was against Philipines. Otherwise, between him and our #3 Krishan Hooda they lost 6 matches. Are we running so thin on talent in these age groups or selection of teams is an issue. Not sure but these are all bad performances in junior age group tournaments where we had done well in the past.
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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Our girls under 16 team did not do any better. They finished 10th in Asia Oceania group, losses against seeds Hongkong,Australia and Uzbekistan and wins against New Zealand,Kazakhstan and Malaysia. So, our under 14 and under 16 teams finished 7,8, 9 and 11 positions within Asia Oceania group which is pathetic. For the second straight year, we could not get any of the teams in the top 4. Our junior development looks in tatters again.

On the other hand, both the under 16 teams from Hongkong coached by Karan Rastogi made it to the world group by finishing in top 4.

How about getting back Karan as our junior development coach or something ? But is anyone in AITA bothered ?
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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sameerph wrote: Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:10 pmFor the second straight year, we could not get any of the teams in the top 4. Our junior development looks in tatters again.
In most years in the past couple of decades when we didn't make a top-4, we were pretty much in the top-6 or so. Not even finishing top-6 is EXTREMELY worrisome. Our junior program has to be non-existent (not just in tatters) for this to happen. I hope AITA is taking it seriously. I doubt it. One possible problem may be that the parents of some really talented kids might have bought in on the "Chennai model" and dropped playing junior altogether, instead sending their kids abroad to places that say that they are all Nadals who don't need junior play even at age 13 and 14. I don't know, but this is all very very worrisome. But maybe only we people here even care...
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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I hope that is the case because these are all top 3 ranked players in the country and if they are the best in the country at under 14/ under 16 levels, it is worriesome. ( except for an exception like Dev Javia who did well for himself). Even though we are at one of our best levels in ATP and probably WTA too, we cannot let thing slip at junior level.
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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The Asia Oceania qualifying events for under 14 and under 16 began this week. We have not been doing well in these events in last 2 years. And the start this year was not that great.

Our under 14 boys could only finish 6th this week in Kuala lumpur. These are their results-

The results (fifth place): Qatar bt India 2-1 (Mashari Naif lost to Agriya Yadav 6-2, 6-1; Rashed Naif bt Yuvan Nandal 6-2, 6-0; Nasser Alyafei & Naif bt Yuvan & Agriya 7-5, 3-6, [10-2].

India bt Hong Kong 2-1 (Agriya Yadav bt Kwok Shun Dasson Chan 4-6, 6-3, 12-10; Yuvan Nandal bt Shun Wang Max Kwong 6-2, 1-6, 10-8; Ayushmaan Arjeria & Agriya Yadav lost to Kwok Shun Dasson Chan & Hong Tseng Curtis Tan 6-1, 6-3) .


In the group stages, we beat Syria and Indonesia but lost to Thailand. In the QF we lost to Australia. Australia,Japan,Thailand and China were the 4 teams which qualified for world group.

Our under 16 boys and under 14 girls both play next week.
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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Our dismal performances in these team competitions continue.

Our under 16 boys finished in 10th place. Wins against Indonesia,China and Philippines but losses against Australia, Uzbekistan and New Zealand. None of our players could win matches against the ties which we lost. So, no spark seen any of the players. :-(

Our under 14 girls finish 13th. Wins only against Indonesia and Kazakhstan in the classification matches. But, losses against Australia,China,Thailand and Lebanon. One bright spot there is our #1 player Pari Singh won her matches against Australian and Chinese #1 players. So, she may be the only one to keep an eye on in this group of players.
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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What is really ailing our junior levels? It has been terrible for years now. We need to be in the Asian top-6 or 8 at least, and we were always at that level till a few years ago, with a top-4 finish some half the time. Now, we are rather consistently out of that level.
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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jayakris wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:45 pm What is really ailing our junior levels? It has been terrible for years now. We need to be in the Asian top-6 or 8 at least, and we were always at that level till a few years ago, with a top-4 finish some half the time. Now, we are rather consistently out of that level.
This question merits a deeper investigative report - status of junior development activities at the state level (state-by-state) in terms of participation, progression, funding for tennis development programs, availability of coaches, role of associations, funding issues, recruitment/promotion efforts (Rising Tennis Star Program anyone? - I was thinking of the resounding success of Shankar Mahadevan's Rising Star program on Indian TV).

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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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Our under 16 girls fared no better as they finished 11th.
Losses against Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Malaysia and wins only against Indonesia and Sri lanka.

So, out 4 team finish 6th, 13th, 10th and 11th in Asia Ocania. Last year it was 7,8,9 and 11. In 2017, it was no different.

It was last in 2016 that we got 2 teams in world group.i.e in top 4 in Asia-Oceania.
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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knarayen wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:19 pm
This question merits a deeper investigative report - status of junior development activities at the state level (state-by-state) in terms of participation, progression, funding for tennis development programs, availability of coaches, role of associations, funding issues, recruitment/promotion efforts (Rising Tennis Star Program anyone? - I was thinking of the resounding success of Shankar Mahadevan's Rising Star program on Indian TV).

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Spot on, Prof. All of what you mentioned above. If comprehensive planning doesn’t start before they turn 10, it’s going to be really tough. Besides the tennis skills/technique, there’s so many other aspects that need to be planned - physical development, mental, nutrition etc. and then there’s match play, tournament planning that needs to be planned properly.

You need a good talent pool, funding, coaches, facilities and a good 5 years to help them develop. Something like what Gopi does for Badminton.

Otherwise it’s almost next to impossible to build champions. Yes, you can get an occasional Sania, Yuki who go far based on their sheer talent. Sania and Yuki could have achieved a lot more in my opinion if they had better planning during their formative years.

Somdev has a good plan but he’s got to do a better job communicating. It’s not easy to deal with our babus..
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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Is this new low for us in u12? 😤🤬😤
As our team lose to Pakistan in South regional qualifying 1-2 …

Pakistan beat India to finish atop in ITF junior tennis
Then it was the turn of doubles pair of Talha and Shahbaz Ali Baig to make a heroic recovery from 0-5 down in the second set to not only win 7-5 but also went on to win the important and decisive doubles tie-break 10-5.

With the victory, Pakistan boys finished at the top of the table and thus qualified for the Asian event to be held later. The doubles victory against Chawla and Ojas came from nowhere as India was already celebrating a win when from the jaws of defeat the tables were turned by the Pakistan pair.
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Re: ITF Team Juniors (u16 Davis/Fed Cup, u14 World Jun. Tennis)

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Now this is a choke!

Anyway, they are juniors. Maybe they will learn not to "celebrate a win" before the egg is hatched and the fat lady has sung loudly. Anyway, things happen in age-group tournaments where a much thinner slice of players participate due to the age limits. But, hopefully in the open category, when the best players from a decade or more can participate, India will stay ahead of Pakistan.
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