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[ankit1407]

I think people here like LP more than they do MB, I know on the face of it lot of people will disagree and call me an MB fan or may be a globosport employee ...much like our Govt whenever anyone raises an genuine issue they are politically motivated or have the support of the opposition....

I tried to get into or thought of starting an argument once about all this was due to what happened few months back(like late last year) and not like a month back before Olympics as Jay's post points out, sorry Jay using your post for my support as I believe its a good cover to duck into if required and I somehow had to write this even thou its repeating most of what you have said already

I always believed and still do that neither of the pairing LP-MB, MB-RB, LP-RB would have got us a medal, irrespective of controversy or no controversy...just look at the past and we will know.Btw most including some of the respected boarders here felt LP VV can surprise and win a medal and I was like REALLY? What kind of tennis logic was behind that..yes they played well and came close to winning 2 rounds but a medal well it was never going to happen..

LP is no SAINT and neither is MB...If MB can be blamed for following his instinct after the LP tried using the fresh and raring to go theory than you can go after LP as well for having such theories...

If AITA is giving lecture on how org should run and they will not tolerate all this where were they last year or if they were always going to be this strong why did not they just said OK we are not going to send anyone unless you go on our terms before waiting a failure from everyone but more precisely from MB-RB ?

[PKBasu]

Jay, too convoluted. I don't get your logic (or perhaps I am too intellectually lazy to assess the "logic" you are trying to expound). Besides, you haven't gone to sleep (or, at least, haven't logged-off your computer) yet...

I was going to write more inside the parentheses, but decided that I didn't want to set off a new line of argumentation on this topic that we have discussed far too much!

[jayakris]

I know PKB. It is stated in a convoluted way, but not too complex. Take a look when you have time and patience... Yes, I am off to sleep Jay

[kujo]

This topic is a dead horse, stop beating it up and don't revive it with long posts!

kujo


ps:
There are a few wrong notions, that people hold on to despite different posts with differing view points / facts. For example,
1. PKB:

especially as LP was the only one who had qualified for the Olympics

RB and MB also qualified for the Olympics as a doubles team, there is no ifs, ands, buts there. They didn't receive any wildcards or any special considerations to get into Olympics doubles - only because, they were qualified already! If anything, Rushmi and Sania definitely got such special consideration and the Wild card to play womens doubles.

2. KIM: RB is not the villain as he is being portrayed here. He committed to MB specifically as part of the Olympic preparations, and he stuck to that commitment and his own preparation / efforts towards that ( and 95% of other players agree as the correct way of preparation towards a major event like Olympics). Why is that being treated as if he committed an unpardonable sin?

As Jay says, none of them behaved maturely and for that, the collective blame falls on each one of them and the AITA. To single out one set of people and leave the others is not right. AITA's diktats on doubles partnerships can not be followed blindly without considering the ground realities of "in-compatibility, mis-trust, lack of communication" between such partners. Not accepting such "team selections" is treated as "in-discipline" and MB, RB are being punished now...

[prashanthm]

2. KIM: RB is not the villain as he is being portrayed here. He committed to MB specifically as part of the Olympic preparations, and he stuck to that commitment and his own preparation / efforts towards that ( and 95% of other players agree as the correct way of preparation towards a major event like Olympics). Why is that being treated as if he committed an unpardonable sin?

Not supporting anyone or blaming anyone, but just thought that some background info is missing here....

From what was posted here on this forum, LP approached RB to team up for 2012 and asked MB to team up with him 4 weeks before Olympics (Seperately). RB wanted an assurance that he would play Oly, which he didn't get and he went to MB, who called this as backstabbing by LP and he ended up teaming with RB with an assurance of partnering with RB for Oly. If these sequence of events are true, RB is not a saint......
But again, that's a big IF......

[ankit1407]

well no one is or was a SAINT in this episode, but what if RB thought now again this is a IF that even after playing with LP he may be left stranded and might not get a chance to play Olympic and he went for a better choice knowing the other guy will stick to him for the whole duration, whats wrong in that ?

and what if MB thought , who knows 4 weeks before the Olympic LP might say oh you know what i am doing good with RB so you can find your own way, he would be the one left out so he took the safer option as well and went with RB knowing ofcourse they will have to work hard for qualification but at least a assurance will be there, whats wrong in that ?

and What if LP thought as jay said he can only think and might be right either that his idea of RB now and MB later would work but ..I dont know how to get this idea to logical end but than LP is hardly logical most still very sucessfull in most cases and by far the best doubles player we have produced..

so the kids messed it up totally and the big daddy i.e. AITA was busy planning or booking holidays in London during Oly.

[ankit1407]

anyways all of this is waste of time now, I just had a bit of free time today so wasted it on this topic

[Kim]

And I thought no one was reading my ever so balanced commentary

Let me perfectly clear since folks like Kujo seem to think what RB did was perfectly okay. Putting ego over country is egregious enough (and to be clear that is exactly what happened) but when the character in question is someone who has never accomplished anything it reeks of a deluded sense of entitlement. Whether AITA is a tyrannical organization as some have suggested or not, is irrelevant in RB's case. He should have just done what he was told and been thankful just to be part of the conversation.

As everyone in this forum knows, or at least the ones that matter, I have always been an ardent fan of both LP and MB. And they have accomplished quite a bit. Both together as well as separately. If they didn't want to play together then they have earned the right to say no. RB has not and never will.

Kim

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[kujo]

yes, what RB did was perfectly fine. If anything, LP was the one who was two-timing and trying to back-stab. LP was the idiot who wanted to have his cake and eat it too. Too bad (for him), the other parties involved came to their senses and just said NO!!

LP's plan of playing with RB till 4 weeks before Olympics and then teaming up with Mahesh was selfish and basically meant to use and discard RB after 5 months. That plan to be termed as "genius" is simply being too kind to him. It was as idiotic as any plan out there, especially so, since similar plans of his FAILED in the previous 3 Olympics!!

[vk2052]

It seems Lee was too over confident because RB and Hesh both are add court players and he thought they would never combine . In that case he thought he would be able to pick hesh or rohan. THAT WAS HIS BIGGEST MISTAKE. In any case there were bound to be complications when there are three top class doubles specialists and one girl and two suitors. One boy out of three, was to be sidelined for md and one boy out of two was to be side lined for mixed.

Under the circumstances best combinations would have been Lee/Hesh and Hesh/sania. But the fact is , to protect RB , hesh ditched sania . If he had ditched rb and played mixed with sania and doubles with lee, things would have been much different and may be we would have won some thing at london.

So in the final analysis Hesh is the real villain of the story. He deserves the treatment he is getting now. I have no sympathy for him. No point in blaming Lee- he agreed to play with vishnu. No point in blaming rb . And no point in blaming sania- he played with lee- as was told. I agree with hesh as far as aita bashing is concerned , over all. But as far as selection is concerned, they tried their best to field best team- but Hesh put pressures through ministers and that messed up every thing.

[PKBasu]

The basic problem with the MB-RB combine was that they are both backhand (Ad court) players. It was never going to work. Leander had the only sensible solutions -- and there is no evidence that he proposed pairing up with RB for 2012, but then ditching him in the final four weeks before the Olympics to plump for MB. He would only have opted for the latter if the partnership with RB was shown to have failed in the first 6 months of the year (perfectly reasonable, even for RB, in those circumstances).

[vk2052]

Watch Times now today 1.30 pm and 9.30 pm and on sunday 2.30 pm and 10.30 pm. Arnab Goswami interviews Mahesh, who is now charging AITA and khanna of corruption and nepotism. Mahesh says money being siphoned off through a trust and no one knows where that money is going. ( All this is reported on tv. I have not started any thing new)

[prashanthm]

Hopefully, something good comes out of all this.......
Since, MB has nothing to lose and he is past his playing prime, he can go all out and dethrone the Khannas or get some sense into them making them feel that they cannot take things for granted anymore......

to all of us, Indian tennis followers

[gautam]

Mahesh said quite a lot of the interview. 2 Important things which he said was

1. Seems like the reason for the split in 1999 between LeeHesh is still unknown to us. Mahesh blatantly refused to disclose the reason for the split.
2. He has accused the AITA of corruption and has specifically given instances of corruption by Khanna

[prasen9]

I know nothing about this. But, dethroning Khanna may be like dethroning Gill or Saddam. Both bad guys, but, after dethroning them, chaos worsened. So, we have to be careful about what we want.