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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by prasen9 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:41 pm

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Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:12 pm
One flaw in the ELO ratings is that it doesn't seem to account for the stage. Clearly, a GS win is worth more than a random tour win as the top players prepare for and "peak" for the grand slams.
They do factor and give more weight to grand slams, then tour finals, then one more level and then rest. They also factor in more points for finals than for semis, etc. I think they factor in the surface by giving about 50% more points for grass and indoor carpet!

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by sameerph » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:53 pm

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Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:12 pm
One flaw in the ELO ratings is that it doesn't seem to account for the stage. Clearly, a GS win is worth more than a random tour win as the top players prepare for and "peak" for the grand slams.

However, these ratings do provide interesting data. The Indian top 13 for Peak ELO is
1. Vijay Amritraj (2077)
2. Ramesh Krishnan (1987)
3. Leander Paes (1885)
4. Somdev Devvarman (1841)
5. Anand Amritraj (1760)
6. Sashi Menon (1741)
7. Yuki Bhambri (1723)
8. Premjit Lall (1677)
9. Ramanathan Krishnan (1663)
10. Prakash Amritraj (1624)
11. Jaidip Mukerjea (1619)
12 Ramkumar Ramanathan (1619)
13. Rohan Bopanna (1616).

Meets my gut instinct test with the exception of the pre-Open era stalwarts such as Ramanathan Krishnan who should be much higher (perhaps at the top).
This pretty much corresponds with the career high ranking of these players. A few exceptions that Zeezhan Ali with a career high ranking 126 and Saketh with a career high ranking of 138 are not there. I wonder how Prakash Amritraj and Rohan Bopanna are rated higher than them.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by prasen9 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:45 pm

Did Prakash and Rohan have big name wins in singles perhaps in slams that Zeeshan and Saketh have not had?

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by Sin Hombre » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:11 pm

As I said earlier, Saketh is not even in the rankings. He has not played enough qualifying games.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by VReddy » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:16 pm

Hawk-eye to replace line judges at the Milan event! -> http://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/20751504

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Laver Cup

Post by prasen9 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:53 am

So, Thomas Berdych is in instead of Dimitrov because he is a local?

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Re: Laver Cup

Post by S_K_S » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:57 am

A tournament thread? Do we have any Indians playing?

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Re: Laver Cup

Post by Y2K » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:36 am

Eventhough there is no Indian participation still India belongs to world group,right?Go..TEAM WORLD :p :p

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Re: Laver Cup

Post by PKBasu » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:37 pm

This should be part of the Non-Indian ATP thread. It doesn't deserve a thread of its own here.

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Re: Laver Cup

Post by prasen9 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:00 pm

Sorry, I thought maybe because we are part of rest-of-the-world, we have a home team participating and home players playing, and it is fine. I guess the semantics is if Indian players are playing. So, the mods can move it, please.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by jaydeep » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:49 am

Done.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by Prashant » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:00 am

To fan the flames of the GOAT discussion:

https://www.economist.com/blogs/gamethe ... kingofclay

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by prasen9 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:15 am

Federer did have a time when he was king and there was not much opposition. So, that may have affected the numbers. Or maybe because his wins are at Wimbledon where I think ranked players are more likely to fall earlier in the tournament because the ranking is not an accurate predictor for skill needed to win at Wimbledon. It would be interesting to see this adjusted number on clay and non-clay tournaments. If the "increase" is due to Nadal facing stiff opposition at the French, then that does nothing to address Nadal's weak point, namely, his not winning as many beyond the French.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by S_K_S » Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:35 pm

Another early loss for Thiem. Looks like he has issues getting himself going outside of the slams.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by prasen9 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:49 pm

Federer has now won 5 straight against Nadal. He is 11-9 now against Nadal on hard courts, which is perhaps the best indicator ignoring their favorite surfaces clay or grass on which each of them are distinctly better.

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