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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by Sin Hombre » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:13 pm

All that should indicate is that post-peak Federer is better than post-peak Nadal on hards which makes sense given the latter has lost his insane retrieving ability of his younger days.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by prasen9 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:41 pm

Yes, but, as long as they continue to play, post-peak records will also be part of their legacy and will define the total body of work done by both.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by SaniaFan » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:08 pm

Also, these guys are winning 2 grand slam in a year. I am starting to wonder what is peak!!

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by S_K_S » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:03 pm

Fed didn't just beat him, he wiped the floor with him. Nadal didn't get a look in. Nadal is as much lost as to what to do against Fed as Fed was against Nadal at his peak.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by prasen9 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:14 pm

On grass and indoor, yes. Outdoor hard will be more competitive. On clay, it is the other way.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by arjun2761 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:03 pm

Sin Hombre wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:13 pm
All that should indicate is that post-peak Federer is better than post-peak Nadal on hards which makes sense given the latter has lost his insane retrieving ability of his younger days.
Given that are still 1st and 2nd in the rankings, how is this relevant. Arguably, this period is now an extension of their peaks....

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by arjun2761 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:06 pm

SaniaFan wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:08 pm
Also, these guys are winning 2 grand slam in a year. I am starting to wonder what is peak!!
Yes, you make a lot of sense....

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by Sin Hombre » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:18 pm

arjun2761 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:03 pm
Sin Hombre wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:13 pm
All that should indicate is that post-peak Federer is better than post-peak Nadal on hards which makes sense given the latter has lost his insane retrieving ability of his younger days.
Given that are still 1st and 2nd in the rankings, how is this relevant. Arguably, this period is now an extension of their peaks....
If you think their current level is anywhere near their peaks, then clearly you haven't seen much of them in 2006-11.

Rafa went 2 years without a GS and Federer had one GS in 6 years going into 2017; of course, they are still good enough to dominate the likes of Cilic, Dimitrov and co in a decimated field.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by SaniaFan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:47 am

What is the definition of peak? When a player is playing his best or when a player is playing better than other players? I guess when he is playing his best would be the peak. And that is where I am not sure if they are much off their peak.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by S_K_S » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:10 pm

Great win by Chung in the next gen final. Perfect combination of defence and attack with the defending being almost at Murray level at times. Should be a good boost for Asian tennis. For me the next gen was a success.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by Varma » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:46 pm

Yes, Chung played unbelievable tennis to win the inaugural championship and also his maiden pro title. Stunning defense and ice cool demeanor seems to be his hallmark. He had to be obviously good to be at 54 in the world, but I never knew he was this good. Rubulev played very well the first set and half. But he seems to be perfectly fitting the typical type-casted "Russian". I loved the high quality tennis this match offered, but by the time the trophy presentation was over I just loathed this guy. What a sore loser he turned out to be! His team should teach him how to show some respect to his opponent after a loss. Throughout the ceremony and the following photo session he acted like an 8 year old spoiled brat. I am pretty sure he is going to receive a lot flak on social media for his behavior.

Congratulations, Hyeon Chung! :clap:

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by S_K_S » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:10 am

He's 20 and he lost his first final so I'd cut him some slack. Easier to be all gracious when you have won double digit slams. I like the fact that he didn't like losing. Losing sucks. I hope he comes out all guns blazing at the Aussie Open with the memory of that loss.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by Sin Hombre » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:48 am

Well done Chung. Some semi-racist posts on MTF in the aftermath unsurprisingly.

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by sameerph » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:26 am

Wow, great run by Chung. Will he reach where Nishikori has reached in rankings ?

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Re: ATP Tennis/Non-India Davis Cup

Post by jaydeep » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:25 am

Andrey Rublev's comments after the match.
“I was playing much better than him. I was, like you said, dictating the match, and then just because I get — I let my emotion go out and everything changed,” Rublev said. “From a little thing, I just lost my control and that's it. I just lost because of my head.”

About Hyeon Chung -
“Mentally he's really strong. No matter what, he never gives up. He always fighting. If he feel he's losing, he’s still always there. He never complains. He never shows emotion,” Rublev said of Chung, who earned his first ATP World Tour title. “That's why most of the time he wins tough matches. When the matches are close, he always wins, because mentally, no matter what, he always there. That's what's happened to me with us today. I was playing better, I was controlling the match, but in one point I let my emotion go out, and when he was losing he was still focused. And that's it.”

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