10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by jaydeep » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:45 pm

In this Asia cup, our performance is not at the par,

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

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Post by jaydeep » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:45 pm

In this Asia cup, our performance is not at the par,
We have been below par throughout 2017. Disappointing at the Azlan Shah Cup, pathetic at the HWL and nothing special at the Asia Cup.
I suspected Korea would be hard to beat. I think the speed of our passing was a bit slow and this allowed the Koreans to keep enough numbers in the circle. We didn't have the quality or guile to create too many chances. The 2-3 opportunities we got fell to Akashdeep and Sunil who messed up each time. So many of our attacks fizzled out as result of a sloppy or hurried pass or a mis trap when under little pressure.

The goal we conceded was not Surender Kumar's fault as mentioned in my previous post but due to Varun's poor play. In fact all 3 goals against us have come due poor play by one of our players!

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by jaydeep » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:40 am

Yes, agree with you, SSP ... In 2017, we have failed to show progress or consistency ... On the other hand, giving chance to many youngsters in the senior team.

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by ssp » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:13 am

Pakistan and Korea have drawn 1-1. Quite an even game, but I think Korea didn't go as defensive as they did against us and so Pakistan got several chances, but their finishing was terrible. Korea had a lot of possession and they too missed some good chances. I suspect Pakistan could be a pretty decent team with a modern coach and more exposure and improved fitness.

We start our game against Malaysia in 20 mins time.

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by sameerph » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:22 pm

We are leading 3-0 at half time against Malaysia. Much better performance but Malaysia is giving our forwards much more space to go thru than Korea which had crowded their defence yesterday.

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by ssp » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:31 pm

As Sameer says, more space available for our forwards and we have taken our chances to be 3-0 up.

Some silly errors from a lot of our players. Sardar has looked too slow at the back and his passing was poor. We have gifted away a couple of PCs due to poor footwork and wild swings when some composure was needed. Malaysia have had some great chances but haven't taken them.

Fairly even on the stats, so we have to keep our discipline and structure to keep the Malaysians out. I suspect we will concede at some point (there will be some lunacy at the back- we specialise in this aspect) so another goal would be most welcome.

We have a 4th. A fantastic move on the right sees Gurjant tap in at the far post. Lovely stuff. Surely we can't mess this up from here!! ;)

5-0 at the end of Q3. Gurjant showed his pace and class in setting up the 5th. We still look a bit shaky at the back and have been lucky with Malaysia's shooting and loss of referral. However, there are huge spaces in the midfield and up front for us as the Malaysian discipline has fallen away, so we should have more chances.

We ended up winning 6-2 after a poor Q4 where we gave away 4 PCs and generally played badly. Instead of keeping possession and just killing off the game we tackled like amateurs or just kept giving the ball away. The stats were fairly even but PC count was 8-3 against us. Our finishing was brilliant and Malaysia's was rubbish. That was the big difference. Just as I suspected the lunacy won't go away and a clean sheet just doesn't happen against any decent team.

Positives: Gurjant, Sumit & Dipsan are good additions to the team. Quick passing at the front works very well on occasion and ball speed was much better than the Korean game.
Negatives: tackling at the back is pathetic. Uthappa, Akashdeep, Ramandeep, Satbir and Sunil make far too many basic errors. Just get better players in and results will follow. Sardar didn't have a good game and looks off the pace at the back. Probably not his best position.
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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by sameerph » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:24 pm

It finished 6-2 for us in the end. Much improved effort from yesterday. I think our place in the final is more or less secured now with goal difference too quite good.

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by jayakris » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:36 pm

So, what is everybody's feeling about the guy we picked out from the streets to be our head coach? Is he doing okay?

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

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by jayakris » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:36 pm

So, what is everybody's feeling about the guy we picked out from the streets to be our head coach? Is he doing okay?
Not sure as apart from Korea, the opposition hasn't been too tough. He has made our forwards pass much quicker than previously -with some good results but also a lot of 'blind' passes from our 3 most experienced attackers (Ramandeep, Akashdeep and Sunil). This is a good tactic on the whole.

So far in this tournament, our play at the back has been poor. Too many wild or rash tackles and we have gifted away 3 goals due to unforced errors. Playing Sardar as the sweeper or free defender is not really working. So we look worse in defence compared to Oltmans' era.

Our PC routines haven't been too clever. Haramanpreet seems to be our only option and if he doesn't get it right, we look a bit silly.

So overall, nothing special from the coach yet, but it's early days.
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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by jayakris » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:18 pm

Thanks, ssp. I have not watched us lately. Good coaches usually improve the defense. Hope this guy does that, but it's probably too early to say anything, I guess. At least there is no disaster yet, but then it's to early say that too.

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by PKBasu » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:41 am

Our counter-attacking against Malaysia was often breathtaking. But we also gave Malaysia a lot of opportunities, most of which they flubbed (thankfully). 3-0 at half time and 5-0 after the third quarter were impressive scores against a strong Asian side (perhaps the third best in Asia these days).

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by sameerph » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:01 pm

We beat Pakistan 4-0 to enter the final. First half performance was patchy and Pakistan got more chances than us. In the second half we improved a great deal to pump in 4 goals.

Await the winner of Malyasia-Korea match in the final.

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by ssp » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:10 pm

Nice win over Pakistan. 1st half was not great but excellent Q3 & Q4 performance. Always good to see a clean sheet. We dominated the stats almost 3:1 in shots and circle entries despite the mediocre first half. For a change we won more PCs than the opposition.

I would prefer to meet Malaysia in the final, but looks like it will be Korea as they are 1-0 up with only a few minutes left. We always struggle to break down the Korean defence because their organisation, fitness and discipline is better than Malaysia who are keen to attack.

And my wish is granted as Malaysia get an equaliser in the 58th minute. I think this means Korea won't be at the 2018 WC.

Goint onto the final, I hope we cut out the rash tackling and reduce the number of PCs given away. If it's an open, attacking game, we will get plenty of chances, but I'm still not sure how our team will perform. Could be a great showing or absolutely shocking! ;)

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by prasen9 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:14 pm

We do criticize our team, but, it seems that in comparison to the other Asian teams who have pretty much regressed a lot vis-a-vis their standing a few decades earlier, we have perhaps regressed a tad bit less maybe because of our large population and Oltmans, Walsh, etc.

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Re: 10th Asia Cup 2017 - Bangladesh

Post by arjun2761 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:56 pm

Well, most of the other Asian teams haven't been particularly good for any length of time (i.e., among the top 4 or 5 in the world). They have had short stints at that level.

Pakistan is the only Asian country that was good for a length of time but they are now mostly a dysfunctional country. Beating them consistently is good but shouldn't give us too much satisfaction as their hockey program is essentially a failing program in a failing country.

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