Hockey in countries besides India

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I like coach Maurits Hendriks. And the way Spain got the last-minute goal against Pak was amazing.

I felt Pak were denied a genuine PC (it would have changed the fate of the match) but one can never say watching the game on TV and the young umpire felt otherwise. But like Indians Pak allowed that frustration to spoil their concentration and a free hit just outside the D.


For a long time I have not seen such creative variation in free hits. Long back it was common for the Indian team to practice such set-piece drills when Cedric was the coach. Now no Indian team whether at club level or national level have any ideas for free hits outside the D or long corners. THey shoot straight tothe maze of legs and sticks or shoot wayward and concede the ball...

Today Spain had almost 8 defender in the line of the ball with two of them spreading their sticks on the ground in sweep position (Similar to football wall) but Spain cleverly  passed the ball to D top and man moving in (in fact he was a defender) just cut the ball into the top of the net to give no chance to any of the defenders or the gk.

Brilliant goal and a last-second match winner. Hats off to coach Hendriks. (our phl consultant)
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Cool David, good to hear from you!!
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Thanks David, I also watched whole match ... It wasn't as entertaining like Netherlands against Germany ... But that goal just before last few seconds was superb variation from Spain ... Salman Akbar didn't get any clue of the ball and others Pakistani defenders stranded to their position and was hoping Spain would try for earning penalty corner ... Superb creative variation.

Gautam and Bhushan, That was just news after Pakistan's loss against Netherlands ... Just to show what different types of reason to loose the match ... :kookoo:

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I was thinking about that goal and thinking about Indian umpiring: Why do Indians don't use that stroke.
I said ``the man moving in just cut the ball'' ...but I guess the stroke is more than just these words.

Cutting the ball is a special storke: It was just 12 secs left on the clock and deep defender Sergei Enrique was at the rival D as all the team flocked for the chance. I also saw all the 11 Pak players in the circle and at least 6 Spanish playaers that makes 34 legs and 17 sticks in a 16-yard semi circle.

The undercut is a very dangerous stroke which is usually disallowed by the umpires. But a shot at goal can be dangerous and is usualy allowed when it fetches a goal. A player need to have a lot of precision and practice to execute this stroke where the angular stick cuts the ball at the bottom and the ball will lift like a flick but for a stroke which is officially a hit.

In most of the situations, INdian umpires (for that matter Pak and Malaysian umps) rule this as dangerous and allow a free hit for the defence. But almost all European, Australian and Olympic umpires allow these shots on goal. So many times we hear players shouting ``shot at goal'' when our umps disallow such shots.

So I guess, the umpiring standards in INdia should improve and even minor mistakes and tantrums should be treated with yellow and red cards. Because in India, players get away abusing players and throwing tantrums and when they do that in international matches they get booked.
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Asif Bajwa has resigned as Pakistan's coach after their 9-2 loss to Holland.
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Champions Trophy 2006:

Finals: The Netherlands def Germany 2-1
Third place: Spain beat Australia 5-4 on penalty strokes after being tied 2-2
Fifth place: Pakistan def Argentina 3-1
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Pakistan have dropped 5 of their players!

Saqlain, Waseem, Sohail Abbass, Ghazanfar & Dilawar will not be in the squad for Doha.
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As per report, Malaysia's field hockey entire national team has sacked by governing body after their dismal performance at the Doha Asian Games, where Malaysia finished sixth.

Now Malaysian Hockey Federation has picked a new squad, which having mostly national juniors and a new coach with a goal to qualify for the 2012 London Olympics.

Can same happen with (Indian) Governing body also???
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Field hockey is growing in other countries too. Countries like USA and Canada do have a team but I still think that the best field hockey team is Australia. I think they might win this world cup and also the hockey gold in 2008 olympics.
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World Champion Germany lost the bronze medal match to Belgium 3-4 in the European hockey championship and they join India and Argentina for qualifying process for the Beijing Olympics.

Other than Oceania zone, the qualifiers from all other regions have now been identified. 3 from Europe (Netherlands, Spain and Belgium), 3 from Asia (South Korea, China (host) and Pakistan), 1 each from the Americas (Canada), Africa (South Africa) are sure of their berths for Beijing.

There will be 3 places left from the 3 qualifiers to be held in February - March 2008, and the winner of each event to be held at Chile, Japan and New Zealand, will complete the line-up of 12.

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Read this article about Pakistan's junior team:

http://www.fieldhockey.com/index.php?op ... 6&Itemid=1

Pathetic!
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Pakistan have recalled Waseem, Sohail, Dilawar & Ghazanfar for the CT in Malaysia.

http://www.phf.com.pk/news_detail.php

I posted nearly a year ago about these players + Saqlain being dropped. Appears Pakistan have realised they are going to struggle at the top level without their best players.
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Just came across this report:

http://sports.indiatimes.com/Sections/H ... 999538.cms
Newspaper reports, however, said the Dutch refused as they didn't feel Pakistan was a strong enough opposition.
What a damning statement! The reality is that Pakistan are going the way of India. They are no longer considered a threat. Could anyone have believed this in the 60s, 70s and early 80s?
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Here's an interesting article concerning Malaysian hockey:

http://www.fieldhockey.com/index.php?op ... 5&Itemid=1
But then in Germany, the club system is one of the best and any player wanting to get into the national team must play for a club and also compete in the first division of the Bundesliga (league),” he said.

“Do you know why Germany, Holland and Australia consistently finished among the top four in world tournaments?

“They have good structures where players who come into the national team are finished product with enough experience under their belt.

“By 16, players from clubs should be making their marks with the national juniors. And by 21, he should be in the senior team. Otherwise they can forget about making the grade.”

Francis added that in Malaysia, the clubs only compete in the leagues and they make no effort to develop the players at the lower age-group level.
This section is so obvious, yet India, Pakistan, Malaysia have paid very little attention to the domestic club structure. That's where proper coaching and competition for places will improve the quality of the players.

The second bit of news concerns Pakistan's tour of Europe. They lost 2-1 and then 6-0 to Germany in friendlies. Terrible to see them being thrashed like us. Why are we so inept at playing the top teams? We have such useless coaches and tactics. Yet nothing ever changes.

The PHF website is as bad as our IHF/C site. They are very selective in there reporting. Losses are ignored, but wins are always reported promptly. Idiots!
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Asian hockey is dying. Pakistan finished 8th, India failed to qualify and (thankfully!) China is playing South Africa for the 11th-12th (last place) in the competition.

The gold medal match tomorrow features Germany and Spain, with Holland and Australia competing for the bronze. Arguably, there are some features of the Asian style in Australia (where hockey was initially dominated by Anglo-Indian immigrants), but with a much more systematic approach. The Europeans have completely taken over the game, demonstrating their dominance even in this Olympics held in Asia. 
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