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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by jayakris » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:35 pm

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The one player that would be a great asset is Gurbaj. I just wish HI would (for once) think logically and forget the past. After all, the results are main thing.
And they have already punished more than enough.
And we really don't even know, still, what crime he is supposed to have committed for all that punishment! Get the guy back in.

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by jaydeep » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:34 pm

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And we really don't even know, still, what crime he is supposed to have committed for all that punishment! Get the guy back in.
Yes, at that time Jude Felix submitted a complaint against Gurbaj saying, groupism and creating disharmony within the team. He further alleged that Gurbaj did not cooperate with the coaches and was not a good ambassador for the national team.

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by arjun2761 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:39 pm

If he not coachable and not a team player, perhaps he is better kept out. Generally, teams that do well have good team spirit otherwise they will not play hard and unselfishly. Of course, if he has changed, then perhaps he could be tried out with a pretty stern warning that any repeat behavior will result in him being sent back...

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by jayakris » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:26 pm

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If he not coachable and not a team player, perhaps he is better kept out. Generally, teams that do well have good team spirit otherwise they will not play hard and unselfishly. Of course, if he has changed, then perhaps he could be tried out with a pretty stern warning that any repeat behavior will result in him being sent back...
That is normally the case and I would agree. But in this case, as far as I can remember, the team was fully behind him and it was just Jude Felix who said he wasn't a team player and that he was forming factions. I may not have read all the reports, but it clearly sounded like all he did was to question the coach about things, and it hurt Jude's ego or something. There must be a a reason why Gurbaj filed a grievance or something (and won it, right?).

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by jaydeep » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:12 am

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There must be a a reason why Gurbaj filed a grievance or something (and won it, right?).
Yes, that was the case, but I think he paid the price of taking HI into the court. :(
This was the verdict -
The Punjab and Haryana High Court, on Monday, set aside Hockey India’s nine-month ban on midfielder Gurbaj Singh, terming it “illegal, arbitrary and unreasonable”.

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by ssp » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:38 am

We have several players that are 'un-coachable'...in that they have poor basic skills even after 4 yrs with the national team, yet they retain their places. Gurbaj did not want to play in attack and maybe clashed with Nobbs and Jude Felix. Walsh rated him and brought him back from a previous exclusion.

Gurbaj probably has 2-3 years left at international level. We should get him back till the 2018 world up at least.

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by ssp » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:26 am

Our recent results against Holland and Belgium are looking impressive when you watch these 2 teams in action at the European championships: https://www.eurohockeytv.org/

The skill level, speed, passing, trapping etc (of these 2 teams) are incredible. I thought the Dutch had become the best team in the world under Max Caldas, but after yesterday's 5-0 loss to Belgium, I'm not so sure. It was a freak result because the Dutch missed so many chances, hit the post twice, failed to convert any of their 12 PCs and the Belgian keeper had a brilliant game.

The Dutch have recently beaten Argentina 6-1, England 9-1, Germany & Spain 7-1. We can only dream of such results!

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by jaydeep » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:40 am

The HI announced 35-member Indian men's core group for the national camp, which includes 13 players from last year's Junior World Cup winning team ... Goalkeepers - Vikas Dahiya and Suraj Karkera, Defenders - Dipsan Tirkey, Harmanpreet Singh, Gurinder Singh and Varun Kumar, Midfielders - Harjeet Singh, Manpreet Junior, Nilakanta Sharma and Sumit, Forwards - Mandeep Singh, Gurjant Singh, Simranjeet Singh and Armaan Qureshi.

Core Group
Goalkeepers: Akash Chikte, P R Sreejesh, Vikas Dahiya, Suraj Karkera
Defenders: Dipsan Tirkey, Pardeep Mor, Birendra Lakra, Kothajit Singh, Surender Kumar, Rupinderpal Singh, Harmanpreet Singh, Jasjit Singh Kular, Gurinder Singh, Amit Rohidas, Varun Kumar
Midfielders: Chinglensana Singh, S K Uthappa, Sumit, Satbir Singh, Sardar Singh, Manpreet Singh, Harjeet Singh, Nilakanta Sharma, Manpreet Junior, Simranjeet Singh.
Forwards: Ramandeep Singh, SV Sunil, Talwinder Singh, Mandeep Singh, Affan Yousuf, Nikkin Thimmaiah, Gurjant Singh, Akashdeep Singh, Lalit Upadhyay, Armaan Qureshi.

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by sameerph » Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:46 pm

So, Oltmans becomes the 6th foreign coach to be sacked in last decade - Ric Charlesworth, Jose Brasa, Michael Nobbs, Terry Walsh, Paul van Ass, Roelant Oltmans. We never allowed Charlesworth,to become full time coach and the best one among those who became Walsh was not allowed to operate more than couple of years. I think Oltmans was the best after Walsh. But, he is gone now too. Lets see who comes in now.

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by ssp » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:19 pm

Oh dear. Usual behaviour from HI. Next guy will take 6+ months to settle in and in the meantime we do badly in a couple of tournaments and he will be sacked too.

Just give the coach 3-4 years and more importantly, give him quality players, rather than the dross we always have in our squads.

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by Saniapower » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:12 pm

Oltmans is a smart guy. He knew they're stupid + beyond correction. So his aim was to remain as coach for maximum days as possible to earn maximum $$$ before you're finally kicked out. He was successful in that.

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by jayakris » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:53 pm

Roelant Oltmans sacked: 23rd hockey coach fired in 23 years; says ‘can’t change system’
From the article - Hockey India’s high performance director David John, primarily a fitness coach, has been handed over the reins till a new coach is identified. According to John, the process may take up to three months but it is believed current women’s team chief coach Sjoerd Marijne is being considered as a replacement.

Huh? Sjoerd Marijne as the men's coach? A guy with hardly a resume?

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by jaydeep » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:11 pm

Wow .. Speechless ... :damn: :kookoo: :damn:

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Re: Misc. news about Indian hockey

Post by PKBasu » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:39 am

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